What is the relationship between dℓ and dR in the sign convention for voltage?

In summary, the conversation discusses the derivation of equation 24-2 and the resulting positive voltage integral when the line integral is taken anti-parallel to the field lines. However, in examples 24-2 and 24-3, the line integral is also taken anti-parallel to the field lines but the voltage remains negative, which may seem contradictory. It is then mentioned that the sign of voltage is more of a tool to determine the direction of the field and the magnitude is of greater importance. The speaker also suggests checking the line integral for confirmation. The conversation ends with a mathematical explanation for the negative voltage in Example 24-2 and the relationship between dL and dR.
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In the derivation for equation 24-2 in the picture below., the line integral was chosen along a path anti-parallel to the field lines. As a result, cos(180) = -1, which made the integral for the voltage positive.
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However, in examples 24-2 and 24-3, the line integral is also taken as anti-parallel to the field lines, but the voltage integral remains negative. This seems contradictory.
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Try doing the line integral yourself to check.
Where is the contradiction? The resulting voltage comes out positive.
 
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The sign of voltage is more like a tool to decide direction of field. It's the magnitude we are more concerned with. So in either case just find the magnitude and the field is from +ve to -ve. Or you can take it as potential decreases on direction of field.
(I just said this to make stuff easy. The line integral will give you the right result always. Do as Simon said.)
 
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In Example 24-2, the integrand is ##\vec{E}\cdot d\vec{l} = \|\vec{E}\| \|d\vec{l}\| \cos 180^\circ = -\|\vec{E}\| \|d\vec{l}\|##. The negative sign cancels with the negative sign in front of the integral, so you have
$$V = \int_a^b \|\vec{E}\| \|d\vec{l}\| > 0.$$ Note that ##a## and ##R_a## don't mean exactly the same thing; this is why the limits on the integral change as the integral is written in terms of ##d\vec{l}## and then in terms of ##dR##. Now considering the fact that ##R_a > R_b##, how is ##\| d\vec{l} \|## related to ##dR##?
 

Related to What is the relationship between dℓ and dR in the sign convention for voltage?

1. What is the Sign Convention for Voltage?

The Sign Convention for Voltage is a set of rules used to determine the polarity (+ or -) of a voltage in an electrical circuit. It helps to indicate the direction of current flow and the reference point for measuring voltage.

2. Why is the Sign Convention for Voltage important?

The Sign Convention for Voltage is important because it helps to maintain consistency in electrical circuit analysis. It ensures that all measurements are taken in reference to a common point and helps to determine the direction of current flow, which is crucial in understanding the behavior of a circuit.

3. How is the polarity of voltage determined using the Sign Convention?

The polarity of voltage is determined by following the rules of the Sign Convention. The voltage is considered positive if it increases in the direction of current flow and negative if it decreases in the direction of current flow. The reference point for measuring voltage is usually the negative terminal of the voltage source.

4. What happens if the Sign Convention for Voltage is not followed?

If the Sign Convention for Voltage is not followed, it can lead to incorrect analysis of a circuit. This can result in errors in calculations and misinterpretation of circuit behavior. It is important to always follow the Sign Convention to ensure accurate results.

5. Is the Sign Convention for Voltage the same for all types of circuits?

Yes, the Sign Convention for Voltage is the same for all types of circuits, whether it is a DC or AC circuit. The rules for determining the polarity of voltage and the reference point for measurement remain the same. However, the direction of current flow may change depending on the type of circuit and the position of the voltage source.

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