What is the relationship between even and odd signals?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between even and odd signals in the context of signal decomposition. Participants explore the mathematical definitions and properties of even and odd functions, as well as the implications of these properties when applied to a generic signal.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the decomposition of a signal into even and odd components, using specific equations to validate their approach.
  • Another participant questions the validity of using certain properties of even and odd functions, suggesting that they only hold for the trivial case of the zero function.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that the properties of even and odd functions should be applied correctly to avoid incorrect conclusions about generic functions.
  • Further, a participant seeks guidance on how to prove the definition of an even function using the established equations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial approach to proving the relationship between even and odd signals. There is disagreement on the applicability of certain equations to generic functions.

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Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made about the properties of functions, particularly regarding the conditions under which the equations for even and odd signals hold true.

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Hi i am stuck with something really simple :(
I know that we can express a signal with the even and odd signal
x(t)=xe(t)+xo(t)
(xe(t) means even signal and xo(t) means odd signal)

x(-t)=x(t) for even signals and (1)
x(-t)=-x(t) for odd signals (2)

where even signal is
xe(t)=1/2[x(t)+x(-t)] (3) and the odd one is
xo(t)=1/2[x(t)-x(-t)] (4)
i can validate that x(t)=xe(t)+xo(t) if i use equations 3 and 4
x(t)=1/2[x(t)+x(-t)]+1/2[x(t)-x(-t)]= 1/2x(t)+1/2x(t)+1/2x(-t)-1/2x(-t)= x(t) done

My problem arise when i try to use (1)+(2) to (3)+(4) to prove what i want
using (1) to (3) we have xe(t)=1/2[x(t)+x(t)] =2/2x(t)
using (2) to (4) we have xo(t)=1/2[x(t)-(-x(t))] =2/2x(t) and that means that i have proved that x(t)=4x(t)

P.S Plz tell me where i am wrond and correct my bad english mathematical phrases
 
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Why would you consider equations 1 and 2 at all? A generic function x(t) will not have those properties always. The only function for which both of those equations can be true is x(t) = 0, which is consistent with your result x(t) = 4x(t).
 
I can't understand what u are saying me . Plz try to clarify where i am wrong.
Thx a lot
 
Ok here is what makes your thinking wrong: You try to use x(-t) = x(t) and x(-t) = -x(t), two VERY SPECIFIC conditions, to show something for any x(t) which could have any sort of shape. What you meant to use for equations 1 and 2 was:

xe(-t) = xe(t) (1)
xo(-t) = -xo(t) (2)

If you assume equations 1 and 2 are true then you are implying x(t) = 0 for all t

I hope I made myself more understandable.
 
Yes thanks a lot i have clearly understand my wrong. But if someone ask me to prove that
xe(t)=1/2[x(t)+x(-t)] how shouldi think to prove that?
 
I would use the definition of an even function xe(t) = xe(-t), but recall that xe(t) = 1/2[x(t) + x(-t)], so what would xe(-t) be?
 

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