What is the resistance of a non-ohmic resistor in v-i graph

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of resistance in non-ohmic resistors, specifically in the context of voltage-current (v-i) graphs. Participants explore the definitions and implications of resistance and impedance, particularly in relation to the slope of the v-i curve and the ratio of voltage to current.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the resistance of a non-ohmic resistor can be interpreted as the gradient of the v-i graph at specific voltages.
  • Others argue that resistance should be defined as the ratio of voltage to current (V/I), which may not correspond to the slope of the curve.
  • A participant illustrates this with a mathematical example, noting that for a non-linear function, the ratio V/I and the derivative (slope) can yield different values.
  • There is a discussion regarding the distinction between resistance and impedance, with some participants suggesting that impedance is represented by the slope of the curve (dV/dI) in circuit analysis.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the differences between impedance and resistance, particularly in the context of DC voltage.
  • Further clarification is provided that impedance equals resistance when all components are resistors, but differs when non-linear or reactive components are involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether resistance should be defined as the slope of the v-i graph or the ratio V/I. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and applications of resistance and impedance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining resistance in non-ohmic materials and the potential confusion between resistance and impedance, particularly in different circuit contexts.

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What is the resistance of a non-ohmic resistor (lamp) in v-i graph given a voltage?
I thought it would be the gradiant for specific voltages.
But apparentlly it is the ratio of the specific voltage/current which makes sense too.
So what is the correct out of the two?
 
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is voltage on the x-axis and current on the y or the other way around .
if voltage is on the x-axis then the slope of that line would be 1/R
if current is on the x-axis then the slope of that line would be R
using I=V/R
 
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For a non-ohmic resistor, the ratio V/I is not necessarily the same as the slope of the curve.

If y = x^2, then x = 3 implies y = 9 so y/x = 3, but dy/dx = 6.

Since resistance is defined via Ohm's law the resistance is the ratio, not the slope.
 
dulrich said:
For a non-ohmic resistor, the ratio V/I is not necessarily the same as the slope of the curve.

If y = x^2, then x = 3 implies y = 9 so y/x = 3, but dy/dx = 6.

Since resistance is defined via Ohm's law the resistance is the ratio, not the slope.

I'm not sure I'm understanding which one you are promoting, but the impedance is definitely the slope of the line:

Z = dV/dI

This is used all the time in circuit analysis.
 
I was arguing on the opposite side. I'm not an expert on electronics, so I defer to you. Is there a difference between impedance and resistance? I was thinking in terms of DC voltage.
 
dulrich said:
I was arguing on the opposite side. I'm not an expert on electronics, so I defer to you. Is there a difference between impedance and resistance? I was thinking in terms of DC voltage.

If all the components are resistors, then impedance = resistance.

If some of the components are non-liinear (like diodes for example), then impedance = Z = dV/dI, and it is still real.

If some of the coponents are reactive (inductors and capacitors), then you get a complex Z = dV/dI, with real and imaginary (in-phase and quadrature-phase) components.
 

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