What is the role of evolution in the vulnerability of human infants?

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The discussion centers on the defenseless nature of human infants compared to other species, highlighting that many animals, including mammals, also have vulnerable offspring that require significant parental care. This raises questions about the implications for early humans, suggesting that they could not have been independent and likely needed caretakers for survival. The concept of altricial versus precocial species is explored, with altricial species, like humans, being born in a less developed state and requiring extensive parental investment. In contrast, precocial species can often fend for themselves shortly after birth. The evolutionary perspective suggests that the need for care in human infants may have been advantageous, as traits like crying to signal hunger would have increased survival rates. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of parental care in the survival of both human and non-human species.
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Children are incapable of fending for themselves. It seems most insects and animals are hard-wired for survival at their birth/creation. Human babies are completely defenseless. This would seem to point to the fact that the first humans could not have been children or would have needed a caretaker. Does evolution destroy this idea?
 
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dizam said:
Children are incapable of fending for themselves. It seems most insects and animals are hard-wired for survival at their birth/creation. Human babies are completely defenseless.

The offspring of many species are incapable of fending by themselves. I really can't think of any mammal whose offspring is not defenseless after birth, and does not need a period (longer of shorter)of care.

Some species are even more exposed, for example think at fishes who lay eggs which are fertilized externally, than left to chance. Most of those eggs are simply destroyed. Evolution compensate for this with the enormous egg count deployed by fish females.

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This would seem to point to the fact that the first humans could not have been children or would have needed a caretaker. Does evolution destroy this idea?

Well, whatever gave birth to you, cared for you :P We usually call her "mommy". I bet we still thought at her this way back in the good old days, even if she was an ugly ape :P
 
One could state that human mammals evolved to cry when they get hungry to signal their parents to feed them. Those that lacked this crying mechanism would have died of hunger!
 
Dan P has stated it well. Human infants are actually quite a bit better off than some other altricial species. Altricial is the term used for animals born in a more undeveloped state that require a lot of parental care to survive because they cannot fend for themselves. The opposite of altricial is precocial, those that can care for themselves at birth or very soon after. Take, for example, rats or birds, that are born naked (i.e., no fur, hair or feathers) and blind. Or, what about kangaroos that are born very undeveloped and finish developing in the mother's pouch?

Species that are altricial require a lot of parental investment. More precocious species can just be abandoned as eggs or soon after birth. Mammals are often (but not always) altricial species, because live birth as opposed to egg laying enforces an upper limit on development before a baby is too large to squeeze through the mother's pelvis to be born.
 
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