What is the role of Shot and Scold in the entropy equation?

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The discussion focuses on the entropy equation, specifically the terms 1S2 and ∫δQ/T in the context of heat transfer between two reservoirs at different temperatures. It clarifies that 1S2 represents the entropy change of a system, while ∫δQ/T is the integral of heat transfer over temperature, which equals 1S2 only for reversible processes. The conversation emphasizes that S2 - S1 corresponds to the entropy change in one reservoir, and each reservoir has its own distinct entropy change due to differing temperatures. The participants explore how to simplify the integral when evaluating entropy changes in reservoirs. Overall, the discussion provides insights into the relationship between heat transfer and entropy changes in thermodynamic systems.
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In the entropy equation 1S2 + ∫δQ/T = S2 - S1, what is the difference between 1S2 and ∫δQ/T?

So for example if we have two reservoirs, one hot and one cold and heat is transferred in between we have:

Shot = Q/Thot
Scold = Q/Tcold

Where do the Shot and Scold terms go in that equation?
 
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A reservoir has a constant temperature by definition. So what does that enable you to do in evaluating ∫δQ/T ?

And BTW ∫δQ/T = 1S2 only if evaluated over a reversible path. Otherwise the integral is < entropy change.
 
rude man said:
A reservoir has a constant temperature by definition. So what does that enable you to do in evaluating ∫δQ/T ?

And BTW ∫δQ/T = 1S2 only if evaluated over a reversible path. Otherwise the integral is < entropy change.

Sorry I meant ∫δQ/T = 1S2,generated.

But if ∫δQ/T = 1S2,gen, then that means S2 - S1 = 2∫δQ/T
 
theBEAST said:
Sorry I meant ∫δQ/T = 1S2,generated.

But if ∫δQ/T = 1S2,gen, then that means S2 - S1 = 2∫δQ/T

No it does not. S2 - S1 = ∫δQ/T over a reversible path. S2 - S1 is the entropy change in ONE of the reservoirs. Since you have two reservoirs at two different temperatures T1 and T2 , each has its own S2 - S1.

Have you figured out how that integral is simplified if you're dealing with entropy changes of reservoirs?
 
rude man said:
No it does not. S2 - S1 = ∫δQ/T over a reversible path. S2 - S1 is the entropy change in ONE of the reservoirs. Since you have two reservoirs at two different temperatures T1 and T2 , each has its own S2 - S1.

Have you figured out how that integral is simplified if you're dealing with entropy changes of reservoirs?

Yeah I know how to do that. Thanks!
 
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