What is the significance of phase constant in the wave equation?

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The discussion revolves around the significance and interpretation of the phase constant in the wave equation. Participants explore the mathematical representation of the wave equation and express confusion regarding the derivation and presentation of terms involving the phase constant.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the origin of the terms PHI/k and PHI/w in the wave equation, questioning their derivation.
  • One participant notes that the three terms in the wave equation are independent, suggesting that mixing them can lead to confusion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that they have not encountered this form of the equation in textbooks, indicating a lack of clarity in its presentation.
  • Some participants argue that the phase constant should be treated separately from time and distance variables, advocating for distinct equations for different reference points.
  • A later reply suggests that the terms arise from simple manipulation, implying that there is no special significance to their form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the presentation and significance of the phase constant in the wave equation, with multiple competing views on its interpretation and utility. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and logic behind the equation's form.

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Participants highlight limitations in existing literature regarding the treatment of phase constants, suggesting that different approaches may lead to confusion. There is also mention of the need for clearer definitions and separation of variables.

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we have the wave equation as follows with non zero phase constant:


y(x,t) = ym * sin(k( x - PHI/k) - wt)
or

y(x,t) = ym * sin(kx - w(t + PHI / w))

I don't understand where did the PHI /k or PHI / w came from ??

I understand how did we derive the wave equation but I don't understand this part.
 
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Sciencer said:
we have the wave equation as follows with non zero phase constant:y(x,t) = ym * sin(k( x - PHI/k) - wt)
or

y(x,t) = ym * sin(kx - w(t + PHI / w))

I don't understand where did the PHI /k or PHI / w came from ??

I understand how did we derive the wave equation but I don't understand this part.

You just substitute in and both equation are the same.

But the more basic thing is, I never seen any book write it this way, that is very confusing. The three terms are totally independent. [itex]\omega t[/itex] is the time dependent, kx is distance dependent, and [itex]\phi[/itex] is a phase constant. You don't confuse this more by mixing them together as if they are related.

People usually set either t=0 or x=0 as a reference and generate two separate equations that relate t or x with [itex]\phi[/itex]. With this, you can generate two separate graphs of (y vs t) or (y vs x).
 
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I see but what is then the reason for putting it in this form? What is the logic behind it ?
 
I don't see the logic and I never seen any book that presented it this way. I disagree with the book. In fact, I am at this very moment doing a lot of digging and asking questions regarding to these very kind of phasing issue with respect to direction of propagation, been searching through a lot of books and no body tries to put the equation like this way...as if it is not confused enough dealing with phase constant with respects to t and x alone.
 
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I don't understand where did the PHI /k or PHI / w came from ??
they just come from simple manipulation,there is nothing special about it.Don't break your head on this.
 

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