What is the significance of thermal voltage in semiconductors?

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The discussion centers on the significance and understanding of thermal voltage in semiconductors, exploring its establishment, physical meaning, and relationship with temperature. Participants delve into theoretical aspects, including electronic and band theory, while seeking clarification on related concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how thermal voltage is established and seek clarification on its physical meaning.
  • It is noted that thermal voltage is given by the equation (KT/q), where K is Boltzmann's constant and T is temperature, but the physical interpretation remains unclear to some.
  • One participant suggests that thermal voltage is more of a thermodynamics concept rather than a band theory concept, linking it to the average energy of particles at a given temperature.
  • Another participant describes how, at absolute zero, electrons have no energy, and as temperature increases, electrons gain energy, leading to a potential difference that is termed thermal voltage.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between thermal voltage and the number of conduction electrons and holes produced at higher temperatures, although this is met with some skepticism regarding its accuracy.
  • One participant distinguishes between thermal voltage and bandgap voltage, indicating that the potential difference between conduction and valence bands is not the same as thermal voltage.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for further clarification on bandgap voltage and the physical significance of thermal voltage, indicating a lack of understanding of the mathematical complexities involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the interpretation of thermal voltage, its relationship to temperature, and its distinction from bandgap voltage. The discussion remains unresolved with various viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Boltzmann distribution and the role of temperature in influencing electron behavior, but there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions and implications of thermal voltage and bandgap voltage.

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Hallow! For real it's not clear to me on how the thermal voltage in a semi-conductor is established... Can anyone help?
 
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Do you know the equation for it?

The constant used in it should give you a lot of hints in understanding it.
 
Yeah! It's (KT/q) but i don't get the physical meaning, and where is it established?, i haven't found any explanation whether using electronic theory, or band theory... that explains it...?
 
Godwin Kessy said:
Yeah! It's (KT/q) but i don't get the physical meaning, and where is it established?, i haven't found any explanation whether using electronic theory, or band theory... that explains it...?

This isn't really a band theory concept, although I'm sure it can be related since electrons can gain enough thermal energy to jump to the conduction band energy level in a semiconductor (hence they have a positive thermal coefficient). Its more of a thermodynamics concept.

The thermal voltage equation uses Boltzmann's constant, and K describes the average energy of many particles moving randomly at a given temperature. Because these displacing particles have charge, they create an electric field as they're moving around.

Think of it this way, assume there is a thermal voltage Vt, and then try to think of a way to describe this voltage. Voltage can be expressed as Energy/coulomb, so if we are assuming this energy per coulomb is only from thermal energy, then we know that the charge in this potential has a certain amount of energy directly proportional to temperature.

Now, with all of this known, we also know the relation of energy of a particle at a given temperature by using boltzmann's constant, and we can describe the voltage by this much energy per a charge.

This is in the absence of all other electric fields.
 
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Okay... thanks a lot... But yet i don't see it directly as it is spoken... Thermal voltage... I would like to see how it is created just as barrier voltage has been explained, and how is it influenced by temperature as the formula says... What do you say?
 
Thermal Voltage

At 0 K, electrons in a semiconductor are in rest..or you can say 0 energy state. As we increase the temperature, electron starts getting energy proportional to the temperature and this constant of proportionality is k, the Boltzmann constant. kT/q is the voltage corresponding to this energy. Since the cause of this voltage is temperature, it is so called Thermal Voltage. It is an average value. For individual electrons, it can vary a little, but on an average, it will be kT/q. At a given temperature, an electron can have energies as multiples of kT.

I think this will clear your doubt.

Have a good day..:smile:
 
I suddenly came across this thread from a long time ago, while searching on the same topic on the Internet. As I have problem with this topic too, I am posting my question here, instead of on a new thread. I did not quite grasp the explanation above very well. And, I was wondering if it had anything to do with this. That is, in semiconductors, at absolute zero, the electrons in the bands have zero or no energy, and no electron can escape to the conduction band. At any temperature above absolute, a proportion of electrons, according to the Boltzmann distribution, escape to the conduction band, leaving an equal number of holes in the valence band. This creates a potential difference between the valence band and conduction band, which is the thermal voltage, VT. Also, it is dependent on temperature, as expected, as the greater the temperature, the greater the number of conduction electrons and holes produced, and thus the greater the voltage, between them. Am I right?? Someone please clarify. :P
 
tasnim rahman said:
I suddenly came across this thread from a long time ago, while searching on the same topic on the Internet. As I have problem with this topic too, I am posting my question here, instead of on a new thread. I did not quite grasp the explanation above very well. And, I was wondering if it had anything to do with this. That is, in semiconductors, at absolute zero, the electrons in the bands have zero or no energy, and no electron can escape to the conduction band. At any temperature above absolute, a proportion of electrons, according to the Boltzmann distribution, escape to the conduction band, leaving an equal number of holes in the valence band. This creates a potential difference between the valence band and conduction band, which is the thermal voltage, VT. Also, it is dependent on temperature, as expected, as the greater the temperature, the greater the number of conduction electrons and holes produced, and thus the greater the voltage, between them. Am I right?? Someone please clarify. :P

You're on the right track but not quite. The potential difference between the conduction and valence band is the bandgap voltage, not the thermal voltage.

The thermal voltage is kind of a subtle concept relating how current and potential are related. Read up on Boltzmann's constant.
 
Thank you for the answer. But I am not quite familiar with bandgap voltage. If you could give a more elaborate description of it or direct me to me a similar link or book, then it would be really helpful. Also, I was looking for the physical significance of the thermal voltage, but didn't actually find it anywhere. If there is any, that is if it has a physical meaning. Doesn't it? And I read about its relation to the Boltzmann constant in some places but more often the maths is too complex and often beyond my knowledge, so I can't quite understand it. :P
 

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