What is the singularity of e^(-1/z^2)?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the singularity of the function e^(-1/z^2), particularly at the point z = 0. Participants are exploring whether this point represents an essential singularity or if the function behaves differently under certain conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Some participants attempt to expand the function and identify the singularity based on the behavior of the denominator. Others question the definition of singularity and whether the function can be differentiated at z = 0. There are discussions about the implications of treating the function as a complex function, particularly when approaching z = 0 along different paths.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that the book's answer may be incorrect, while others defend it. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being examined regarding the nature of the singularity.

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Participants note that the function's behavior at z = 0 may depend on whether it is considered in the context of real or complex analysis. There are references to the conditions for analyticity and the implications of approaching the singularity along different paths.

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Singularity is where function is not analytic means we can't differentiate denominator. It tends to 0.

The Attempt at a Solution


expanding e^-1/z^2 = 1 - 1/z^2 + 1/z^4 - ...
This has essential singularity at z = 0 as that's where the denominator goes to 0.
but book answer is B. How?
 

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jaus tail said:

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Singularity is where function is not analytic means we can't differentiate denominator. It tends to 0.

The Attempt at a Solution


expanding e^-1/z^2 = 1 - 1/z^2 + 1/z^4 - ...
This has essential singularity at z = 0 as that's where the denominator goes to 0.
but book answer is B. How?

I think that is a typo. You are correct.
 
jaus tail said:

Homework Statement


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Singularity is where function is not analytic means we can't differentiate denominator. It tends to 0.

The Attempt at a Solution


expanding e^-1/z^2 = 1 - 1/z^2 + 1/z^4 - ...
This has essential singularity at z = 0 as that's where the denominator goes to 0.
but book answer is B. How?
What happens at ##z=0##? And why shouldn't we be able to differentiate it there as often as we like? The graph is pretty flat in a neighborhood of the origin.
 
fresh_42 said:
What happens at ##z=0##? And why shouldn't we be able to differentiate it there as often as we like? The graph is pretty flat in a neighborhood of the origin.

And what happens if ##z=it## and you let ##t## go to zero? The language of the problem seems to imply we should think of it as a complex function.
 
Dick said:
And what happens if ##z=it## and you let ##t## go to zero? The language of the problem seems to imply we should think of it as a complex function.
Yes, but it hasn't been mentioned. A good example why section ##2## in the template is as important as section ##3##. A complex variable is a hidden assumption.
 
I guess there is no singularity. For singularity e^(-1/z^2) has to go to infinite. That happens when
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So there is no singularity. Book answer is right.
 

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jaus tail said:
I guess there is no singularity. For singularity e^(-1/z^2) has to go to infinite. That happens when
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So there is no singularity. Book answer is right.

Wrong, a denominator doesn't have to be zero for a quantity to approach infinity. If ##f(z)=e^\frac{-1}{z^2}## what is ##f(i/10)##?
 
jaus tail said:
I guess there is no singularity. For singularity e^(-1/z^2) has to go to infinite. That happens when
So there is no singularity. Book answer is right.
Is it a real or a complex function? If complex, what about @Dick's suggestion ##z=it## with ##t \in \mathbb{R}\, , \,t \to 0\,?##
 
Dick said:
Wrong, a denominator doesn't have to be zero for a quantity to approach infinity. If ##f(z)=e^\frac{-1}{z^2}## what is ##f(i/10)##?
That's e^(100)
Yeah you're right.
So how to solve this question?
 
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jaus tail said:
That's e^(100)
Yeah you're right.
Can somebody please tell me what the right answer is?

Didn't you already say that it has an essential singularity? I can't find any reason to disagree.
 
  • #11
But book answer is B.
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  • #12
jaus tail said:
But book answer is B.
Again, is it ##f\, : \,\mathbb{R} \longrightarrow \mathbb{R}## or is it ##f\, : \,\mathbb{C} \longrightarrow \mathbb{C}## with ##f(z)=\exp (-\frac{1}{z^2})\,?##
 
  • #13
Also when z = 0, then e^(-1/0) = e^(-inf) = 1/[e^inf] = 1/inf = 0. This should be infinite if this is a singularity, right?
 
  • #14
fresh_42 said:
Again, is it ##f\, : \,\mathbb{R} \longrightarrow \mathbb{R}## or is it ##f\, : \,\mathbb{C} \longrightarrow \mathbb{C}## with ##f(z)=\exp (-\frac{1}{z^2})\,?##
I'm sorry I didn't understand this.
 
  • #15
jaus tail said:
Also when z = 0, then e^(-1/0) = e^(-inf) = 1/[e^inf] = 1/inf = 0. This should be infinite if this is a singularity, right?
There is a fundamental difference whether you approach the point ##z=0## along the real number line or the imaginary number line!
 
  • #16
jaus tail said:
Also when z = 0, then e^(-1/0) = e^(-inf) = 1/[e^inf] = 1/inf = 0. This should be infinite if this is a singularity, right?

No. "inf" is not a number. The function isn't ##0## at ##z=0##, it's undefined. There's a big difference.
 
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  • #17
This is getting more and more complicated.
From what I know,
singularity means function fails to be analytic at the point.
Analytic has 2 conditions:
Ux = Vy
and
Vx = -Uy
Ux is derivative w.r.t x
Uv is derivate w.r.t y
Z = U + iV
Short cut to find out analytic is see if function is going to infinite. If it goes infinite it means function is not analytic at that point.
 
  • #18
jaus tail said:
This is getting more and more complicated.
From what I know,
singularity means function fails to be analytic at the point.
Analytic has 2 conditions:
Ux = Vy
and
Vx = -Uy
Ux is derivative w.r.t x
Uv is derivate w.r.t y
Z = U + iV
Short cut to find out analytic is see if function is going to infinite. If it goes infinite it means function is not analytic at that point.
See post #4.
 
  • #19
z = it as t tend to 0
Means e^(+1/t^2) at t tend to 0
means e(1/0) means e^(inf) means inf.
So there is a singularity at t or z = 0
But book answer is B
So can i assume that book answer is wrong?
 
  • #20
jaus tail said:
z = it as t tend to 0
Means e^(+1/t^2) at t tend to 0
means e(1/0) means e^(inf) means inf.
So there is a singularity at t or z = 0
But book answer is B
So can i assume that book answer is wrong?

Don't say things like e^(1/0) and e^(inf). That's sloppy. And it's not even true. You know the limit is zero if ##z=t## where ##t## is real. The limit is UNDEFINED. But yes, the book is wrong.
 
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  • #21
Should answer be C or D?
I think it's C. Non-isolated singularity means like there are many other singularities neighboring 0 but that's not the case here. At z = 1, the f(z) becomes 0.368.
 
  • #22
jaus tail said:
Should answer be C or D?
I think it's C. Non-isolated singularity means like there are many other singularities neighboring 0 but that's not the case here. At z = 1, the f(z) becomes 0.368.

Yes, the function is well behaved except at the single point ##z=0##. It's C.
 
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Wow thanks. I hope this question comes in exam now. Direct 10 marks, ten such questions. :D
 
  • #24
jaus tail said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Singularity is where function is not analytic means we can't differentiate denominator. It tends to 0.

The Attempt at a Solution


expanding e^-1/z^2 = 1 - 1/z^2 + 1/z^4 - ...
This has essential singularity at z = 0 as that's where the denominator goes to 0.
but book answer is B. How?
e^(-1/z^2)=0 has only zero of order 2 at z=0,and this function has no pole at z=0 that means no singularity and this further implies no isolated essential singularity
 
  • #25
jaus tail said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Singularity is where function is not analytic means we can't differentiate denominator. It tends to 0.

The Attempt at a Solution


expanding e^-1/z^2 = 1 - 1/z^2 + 1/z^4 - ...
This has essential singularity at z = 0 as that's where the denominator goes to 0.
but book answer is B. How?
e^(-1/z^2)=0 has only zero of order 2 at z=0,and this function has no pole at z=0 that means no singularity and this further implies no isolated essential singularity
jaus tail said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Singularity is where function is not analytic means we can't differentiate denominator. It tends to 0.

The Attempt at a Solution


expanding e^-1/z^2 = 1 - 1/z^2 + 1/z^4 - ...
This has essential singularity at z = 0 as that's where the denominator goes to 0.
but book answer is B. How?
 
  • #26
Sushila said:
e^(-1/z^2)=0 has only zero of order 2 at z=0,
It has ##z^{-2}, z^{-4}, z^{-6}, ...##. Looks like a fairly essential singularity to me.
 

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