What is the slope of the line tangent to the polar curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the slope of the tangent line to the polar curve defined by r = 2θ at the point where θ = π/2. The problem involves converting polar coordinates to Cartesian coordinates and calculating the derivative to determine the slope.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conversion of polar equations to Cartesian form and the implications for calculating the slope. There are attempts to clarify the relevant equations and the process for finding dy/dx. Some participants express confusion regarding the undefined nature of tan(π/2) and how it relates to the slope.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering hints and guidance on how to approach the problem. There is recognition of the need to differentiate implicitly and evaluate the derivative at a specific point. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the conversion between coordinate systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion around the use of symbols and terminology, such as the distinction between "pie" and the mathematical constant π. There is also mention of the constant nature of dr/dθ for the given polar curve.

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Homework Statement


What is the slope of the line tangent to the polar curve r=2theta at the point theta= pie/2


Homework Equations


r = xcos theta
r= ysin theta


The Attempt at a Solution


I kept getting zero but the answer is -2/pie.
Can anyone give me a hint? :) Thanks!
 
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yeahyeah<3 said:

Homework Statement


What is the slope of the line tangent to the polar curve r=2theta at the point theta= pie/2


Homework Equations


r = xcos theta
r= ysin theta
Your "relevant equations" are irrelevant and incorrect. They should be
x = r cos(\theta)
y = r sin(\theta)
yeahyeah<3 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


I kept getting zero but the answer is -2/pie.
Can anyone give me a hint? :) Thanks!

pie is something to eat. \pi, the Greek letter pi, is a number.

For the slope, you want dy/dx. From the equations for x and y in terms of r and \theta, you can get y/x = tan(\theta), and from this, you can get
\theta = tan^{-1}(y/x).
Use these to convert your polar equation into Cartesian form, and then calculate the derivative dy/dx, and evaluate this derivative at the point where \theta is \pi/2.
 
I apologize for those mistakes.
However, I am still confused in what you are saying to do.

Tan (pi/2) is undefined.
I'm not sure how to get the slope.
I know the slope is the derivative or dy/dtheta/dx/dtheta but I don't know how that helps me.

Thanks!
 
The polar curve r = 2\theta is a spiral in the counterclockwise direction. If we're talking about the slope of the tangent line at (pi, pi/2) (polar coordinates), we have to be talking about dy/dx, because the other derivative, dr/d\theta is constant and equal to 2. I drew a quick sketch of this curve and convince myself that dy/dx at the point in question was negative, which agrees with the answer you gave, at least in sign.

You need to convert your polar equation into Cartesian coordinates, and then take the derivative dy/dx.

Since \theta = tan-1(y/x), the polar equation becomes
\sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = tan^{-1}(y/x)
Rather than trying to solve for y in that equation, I think it would be easier to differentiate implicitly, and then solve for dy/dx in the resulting equation. If you get that far, you want to evaluate the derivative at x = 0, since your polar point (pi, pi/2) has an x-coordinate of 0.
 

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