What is the Solution for Finding a Real Scalar in a Complex Number Equation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a real scalar in the context of a complex number equation involving the complex numbers u and v. Participants are attempting to determine the value(s) of a such that the magnitude of the expression |u - a/v| equals 2√2. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to complex numbers.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the problem and mentions an incorrect result of -8√3 + 12j, which is not a real scalar.
  • Another participant requests to evaluate u - a/v and express it as a complex number to identify where the initial participant went wrong.
  • A participant outlines their steps to derive a complex number a = -8√3 + 12j, noting that it is not a real scalar and questions how to proceed.
  • One participant clarifies that the expression |u - a/v| represents the magnitude of a complex number and suggests expanding u - a/v to collect real and imaginary parts before applying the magnitude definition.
  • A later reply acknowledges the clarification and expresses gratitude for the assistance in understanding the problem better.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the solution, as there are multiple approaches and some confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the magnitude of complex numbers.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning, particularly in expanding the expression and applying the magnitude definition. The discussion reflects uncertainty about how to correctly manipulate the complex numbers involved.

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Homework Statement



u = -1 + j[itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex]
v = [itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] - j

Let a be a real scaling factor. Determine the value(s) of a such that

|u-[itex]a/v[/itex]| = 2[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]

Homework Equations



The equation above is the only relevant equation.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have converted the cartesian equation into polar in the hopes that it would be made easier but apparently not. I have gotten the following answer -8[itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] + 12j. However, this does not work and is not a real scalar either...

This problem should be able to be done by hand.
 
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You haven't shown any working, so it's difficult to point out where you went wrong.

Can you evaluate u-a/v and express it as a complex number?
 
u = -1 + j[itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex]
v = [itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] - j
|u - a/v| = 2[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]

Here is what I have done step by step to get my answer.

[itex]\sqrt{u - a/v}[/itex] = 2[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]

u - a/v = 8
v(u - 8) = a

Substitute in v and u and begin performing basic algebra.

([itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] - j) * (-1 + j[itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] - 8) = a
([itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] - j) * (-9 + j[itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex]) = a

Then FOIL the binomial
-9[itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] + 3j + 9j + [itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex]
a = -8[itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] + 12j

Now, this is the complex number that I get but this is not a real scalar. How should I proceed or should I begin trying something else? This is part of the section where a calculator is not needed.

Food for thought:
2[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] can easily be expressed using trigonometric functions (sin([itex]\frac{\pi}{4}[/itex]) and cos([itex]\frac{\pi}{4}[/itex]))but I don't know how this can play a part.
 
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DmytriE said:
u = -1 + j[itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex]
v = [itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] - j

Here is what I have done step by step to get my answer.

[itex]\sqrt{u - a/v}[/itex] = 2[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]
Ah, but that's not the magnitude of the expression. For a complex number z = x + y*j, the magnitude is given by

$$|z| = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} $$

Start by expanding the expression u - a/v and collect into its real and imaginary parts (assume that a is a real number). Then apply the definition of the magnitude to the result. Note that you can clear the square root by taking the square on both sides...
 
Start by expanding the expression u - a/v and collect into its real and imaginary parts (assume that a is a real number). Then apply the definition of the magnitude to the result.

Yes! Thank you gneill! I was blinded by my continuous mistakes. The help that made it all clear.
 

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