What is the source of the Kelvin Water Dropper effect?

In summary, the conversation discusses the presence of positive and negative charges in water and how they are formed through autoionization and dissolved ions. The energy source driving this charge separation is gravitational potential energy. Additionally, the conversation mentions the presence of separated charges in water, similar to the charge separation that occurs during friction, and how this is amplified by the Kelvin dropper.
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From a classical mechanics perspective I understand the force interactions leading to the phenomenon, but from a matter perspective, what is a "positive" or "negative ly" charged water stream?

Is this referring to the spontaneousH(+) + OH(- )formations?
 
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The charges come from autoionization of water, yes, as well as any dissolved ions that happen to be in the water. Ultimately, the energy source that drives the charge separation is gravitational potential energy.
 
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Also google solvated electron.

Apart from ions flowing water is full of separated charges, this is in principle not much different from the separation of charges that occur when combing hair (or any place where there is some friction). The difference is water is a reasonably good conductor (unless ultra pure), so there is no charge build up. Kelvin dropper just amplifies these effects.
 

1. What is the Kelvin Water Dropper?

The Kelvin Water Dropper, also known as Kelvin's thunderstorm, is an electrostatic generator that converts falling water into static electricity. It was invented in 1867 by the Scottish scientist William Thomson, later known as Lord Kelvin. The device uses the principles of electrostatic induction to generate high voltages from the gravitational potential energy of falling water droplets.

2. How does the Kelvin Water Dropper work?

In the Kelvin Water Dropper, water flows through two separate nozzles, falling into two containers that are connected to metal electrodes. Initially, a small natural imbalance in charge causes one stream to become slightly more negatively charged, and the other slightly more positively charged. As the droplets fall, they induce opposite charges in the containers below them. This induced charge is then fed back to the nozzles, amplifying the initial charge separation. The process continues, increasing the voltage difference between the two containers until it's sufficient to cause a spark or discharge.

3. What is the source of the initial charge in the Kelvin Water Dropper?

The initial charge in the Kelvin Water Dropper usually comes from natural, ambient electrical imbalances in the environment or minor asymmetries in the setup of the apparatus itself. Even tiny differences in the shape, alignment, or flow rate of the water droplets can start the process. Once the initial imbalance is established, the apparatus amplifies it through electrostatic induction.

4. What are the applications of the Kelvin Water Dropper?

While the Kelvin Water Dropper is primarily a demonstration and educational tool used to illustrate the principles of electrostatics and charge separation, it also has historical importance in the study of electricity. It helps students and enthusiasts understand how charges can be generated and manipulated without mechanical movement or friction, which are common in other types of electrostatic generators.

5. Can the Kelvin Water Dropper generate enough electricity for practical use?

The Kelvin Water Dropper can generate high voltages, but the overall power output (the product of current and voltage) is quite low. The device is not practical for generating electricity on a scale that would be useful for most applications. Its value lies more in its educational significance and as a demonstration of electrostatic principles rather than as a source of usable power.

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