What is the speed of the planes on Great Six Flags Air Racer?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the speed of planes on the Great Six Flags Air Racer, which operates at a 56-degree bank while spinning around a steel tower. Participants analyze the forces acting on the planes, including gravity and centripetal force, and apply Newton's second law (F=ma) to derive equations for tension in the chains and speed. A key equation derived is ω = √(g tan 56/r), leading to the relationship between linear speed and angular speed. The conversation emphasizes the need to differentiate between linear speed and angular speed while solving the problem. Overall, the calculations and reasoning provided aim to clarify the physics behind the ride's operation.
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Passengers riding in the Great Six Flags Air Racer are spun around a tall steel tower. At top speed the planes fly at a 56 degree bank approximately 46m from the tower. In this position the support chains make an angle of 56 degrees with the vertical. Calculate the speed of the planes.
 
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Can you determine the tension in the chains?
 
How? and what do I do then?
 
Originally posted by tandoorichicken
How? and what do I do then?
Consider the forces acting on the plane and apply F=ma.
 
I am so lost.

So there is gravity, and there is also centripetal force right?
 
Originally posted by tandoorichicken
So there is gravity, and there is also centripetal force right?
The forces on the plane are gravity and the tension in the chain. The plane is centripetally accelerated. Apply F=ma to the vertical and horizontal components of the forces.
 
Draw a picture showing the chain out to the seats at a 56 degree angle. The tension force, T, is along the hypotenuse of that right triangle. The vertical component, T sin 56 degrees;, must offset the weight so it must be mg. The horizontal component, T cos 56 degrees, is Rω2.
 
Okay, I think I got it all figured out, and I managed to completely bypass figuring the tension in the chain. Can someone please check my work?

I drew a right triangle with the top angle as 56 degrees, the bottom leg centripetal force and the side leg force of gravity. Then I set up \tan 56 = \frac{m\omega^2 r}{m g}. The m's cancel and when you solve for \omega, you get \omega = \sqrt{\frac{g\tan 56}{r}} = 0.562 rad/sec. Does that make sense?
 
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Okay, I think I got it all figured out, and I managed to completely bypass figuring the tension in the chain. Can someone please check my work?
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning with the triangles, but \omega = \sqrt{\frac{g\tan 56}{r}} is correct. The problem asks for speed, which I presume means linear speed not angular; but v=r\omega.

I would solve it like so:

(vertical forces) Tcos(56)=mg
(horizontal forces) Tsin(56)=mv2/r

Dividing gives you: tan(56) = v2/rg, etc.
 
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