What is the Theoretical Solution for Lift at High Angles of Attack for Airfoils?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the theoretical solution for lift at high angles of attack for airfoils, particularly when they behave like flat plates. Participants seek references and validation for the lift coefficient formula CL = 2 sin(α)*cos(α) and explore relevant literature on the topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the theoretical solution for lift at high angles of attack is CL = 2 sin(α)*cos(α), based on two papers and the small angle approximation for flat plates.
  • Another participant suggests checking "Theory of Wing Sections" by Abbott and von Doenhoff as a potential source for this information.
  • A different participant notes that "Theory of Wing Sections" only covers lift up to stall and doubts it would contain the high angle of attack solution.
  • One participant mentions that "Theory of Flight" by von Mises only uses the small angle approximation and does not provide the high angle of attack solution.
  • Another participant expresses frustration at not having access to their aeronautics books, which might contain relevant information.
  • A participant indicates their work is focused on incompressible flows and expresses a need to compare theoretical solutions with experimental data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the availability of references for the theoretical solution, and multiple competing views regarding the literature exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact source of the high angle of attack lift solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in their access to relevant literature and the scope of the books they have, which may not cover high angles of attack comprehensively.

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I need a reference for the exact solution for lift at high angles of attack, when an airfoil behaves like a flat plate. I am pretty sure the theoretical solution is CL = 2 sin(α)*cos(α) based on two papers I read on lift through 180 degrees angle of attack, but I can't find in any of my books where this is stated. This would also be consistent with the small angle approximation for flat plate lift, as the cosine term becomes 1 and the sin term equals α.

See the Sandia publication:
Aerodynamic Characteristics of Seven Symmetrical Airfoil Sections Through 180-Degree Angle of Attack for Use in Aerodynamic Analysis of Vertical Axis Wind Turbines"
 
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Im at work now and can't check. ToWS only covers up to stall for their studies so I doubt it would be in there. I checked von Mises book "Theory of Flight" (my favorite aeronautics book by the way) and it only used the small angle approximation. For the life of me I can't remember where I found the high AoA solution...
 
Yeah, basically all of my aeronautics books that don't involve compressible flow are at home right now or I'd do a quick flip through them.

On the other hand, if you were looking for sources on waves, compressible flows, hydrodynamic stability, or turbulence, then my stash of books at work would be of some help. Alas, you are not.
 
My line of work is strictly pertaining to IC flows :( I just need to compare the theoretical solution with some data.
 

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