What is the true purpose of Smart Grid and how does it affect consumers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the Smart Grid, exploring its implications for consumers, utilities, and the energy industry. Participants examine the definition, benefits, and potential drawbacks of Smart Grid technologies, including smart meters and renewable energy integration.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define the Smart Grid as an enhancement of the existing electrical infrastructure with advanced communication and control capabilities aimed at improving efficiency and reliability.
  • Others express skepticism, suggesting that the Smart Grid primarily serves utility companies' financial interests by reducing their need for infrastructure investment.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for utilities to enforce load-shedding through differential pricing, which some view as a form of government control.
  • Participants note that Smart Grid technologies could lead to consumer savings by enabling better energy management and the use of renewable resources.
  • Some contributors highlight the importance of reliability and cost-effectiveness in grid operations, while also questioning the implications of mandatory load control measures on consumer autonomy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of support and skepticism regarding the Smart Grid, with no clear consensus on its overall purpose or benefits. Disagreements persist about whether the Smart Grid is primarily beneficial for consumers or utilities.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the motivations behind Smart Grid implementation, the role of renewable energy, and the economic implications for both consumers and utilities. The discussion reflects differing perspectives on the necessity and impact of load-shedding measures.

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Including Smart meters, Renewable Energy (Solar and Wind), Green Cars and Green IT.

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What is the definition of Smart Grid?
 
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http://www.oe.energy.gov/DocumentsandMedia/DOE_SG_Book_Single_Pages(1).pdf
 
To me, the "Smart Grid" sounds more like a way for the utilities to make more money. i.e. They don't have to invest in more generation or transmission lines. That makes me NOT a fan of the idea.

Ultimately, tapping the collaborative power of millions of consumers to shed load will put significant brakes on the need for new infrastructure at any cost.

The bold text is by me and is why I'm opposed to the idea. In effect, it is another government control.
 
How Does Smart Grid Benefit You?

Smart Grid builds on the electrical infrastructure in use today but adds communication and control capabilities that allow the operation of the electric grid in a more efficient, optimized and reliable manner. Smart Grid takes advantage of advanced technologies such as two-way communication, smart metering, distribution automation and various forms of renewable energy such as wind and solar. The Smart Grid represents an unprecedented opportunity to move the energy industry into a new era of reliability, availability and efficiency, thus contributing to both the economic and the environmental well-being of
our nation.
The Smart Grid is more than the implementation of anyone technology. The transition from today’s grid to the grid of tomorrow will be profound, with the transformation taking place significantly faster than what has been experienced in the utility industry thus far.
Smart energy demand is a broad concept. It includes any energy-user actions to:
• reduce peak demand, • shift usage to off-peak hours, • lower total energy consumption, • actively manage electric vehicle charging, • actively manage other usage to respond to solar, wind, and other renewable resources, and • buy more efficient appliances and equipment over time based on a better understanding of how energy is used by each appliance or item of equipment.
All of these actions minimize adverse impacts on electricity grids and maximize consumer savings.

Smart Energy Demand mechanisms and tactics include:
• smart meters, • dynamic pricing, • smart thermostats and smart appliances, • automated control of equipment, • real-time and next day energy information feedback to electricity users, • usage by appliance data, and • scheduling and control of loads such as electric vehicle chargers, home area networks (HANs), and others.
 
dlgoff said:
To me, the "Smart Grid" sounds more like a way for the utilities to make more money. i.e. They don't have to invest in more generation or transmission lines. That makes me NOT a fan of the idea.

The bold text is by me and is why I'm opposed to the idea. In effect, it is another government control.
Central Maine Power has federal grant money to install "smart" meters on all our residences. They claim it is to "inform" consumers, though the ultimate goal is to enforce "voluntary" load-shedding through differential time-of-day pricing. Maine is a large net exporter of electricity already (hydro-dams), so any power-usage that CMP can make us cut back is more power that they can wheel onto the grid to make more money in the NE market. Free money!
 
modather50 said:
How Does Smart Grid Benefit You?
Having worked in SCADA for a electrical power utility, I understand how knowing/monitoring their control area is a great benefit. e.g. Economic generation control (which unit to ramp based on system load, fuel cost, efficiency, etc.), system stability (wheeling power on a schedule for one) and system reliability (opening and closing breakers to route power).

So I guess with the state of grid operation today, I'd have to say reliability. Also the cost/kWH is going to be a little lower when it cost them less from the automation (i.e. after you pay for their equipment investment cost)

My beef would be if it were mandatory to let them turn my air conditioner off when their system is stressed (during peaks). In my opinion, if they want to make more money, they need to invest in more generation.
 
turbo-1 said:
Central Maine Power has federal grant money to install "smart" meters on all our residences. They claim it is to "inform" consumers, though the ultimate goal is to enforce "voluntary" load-shedding through differential time-of-day pricing. Maine is a large net exporter of electricity already (hydro-dams), so any power-usage that CMP can make us cut back is more power that they can wheel onto the grid to make more money in the NE market. Free money!
Same thing here on my little REA. This association, if I'm not mistaken, only owns a small portion of a generator completely out of their service area. So their rates vary depending on what they can buy it for. There's really no reason to justify load shedding if they don't have generation is there? Other than substation transformer ratings I guess.
 

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