What is the Validity of the Rate Equation in Different Reactor Types?

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The discussion centers on the validity of the rate equation in different types of chemical reactors, specifically batch reactors, plug flow reactors (PFR), and continuous stirred-tank reactors (CSTR). Participants explore how the rate equations apply to these systems and whether they can be equated under various conditions.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the rate equation defined as ##(-r_a)=-\frac{dCa}{dt}## is only valid for batch reactors and if it can be applied to PFR or MFR.
  • Another participant explains that in a PFR, the reactor operates at steady state, and the concentration changes with spatial position rather than time, suggesting a relationship between cumulative residence time and concentration.
  • There is a query about equating ##-dCa/dt## with ##\frac{Ca_o-Ca}{t_m}## in the context of CSTR, noting that concentration changes are not gradual but rather sudden, indicating a uniformity in CSTR.
  • A later reply asserts that the equation should reflect the specific conditions of the reactor, indicating that ##dC_a/dt=r_a## is not applicable to batch reactors alone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the rate equations across reactor types, with no consensus reached on the validity of equating the various forms of the rate equation in different reactor contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in applying certain equations across reactor types, emphasizing the need to consider the specific operational characteristics of each reactor, such as steady state and uniformity in concentration changes.

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What is the definition of rate ##(-r_a)=-\frac{dCa}{dt}## or ##(-r_a)=-1/V\frac{dNa}{dt}## ? I think the general one is the second one and first one is for constant volume reaction system. Is the above written rate equation only valid to batch reactor? If not can we use this in a PFR or MFR? In PFR we know the rate comes out to be ##(-r_a)=-\frac{dFa}{dV}## ,can we equate ##-1/V\frac{dNa}{dt} = -\frac{dFa}{dV}## ? If not then why? Is the rate equation not valid everywhere?
 
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You are aware that, in a PFR reactor, the reactor is assumed to operate at steady state so the temperature at any fixed location in the reactor is not changing with time, correct? It is changing with spatial position (cumulative volume V) through the reactor. And, if we define V/Q as the cumulative residence time from the inlet to cumulative volume V (i.e., ##t_r##), then $$\frac{dF_a}{dV}=Q\frac{dC_a}{dV}=r_a$$or$$\frac{dC_a}{dt_r}=r_a$$ So the concentration varies with the cumulative residence time in the PFR in exactly the same way it varies with the clock time for a batch reactor.
 
okay, so does that mean we can't equate ##-dCa/dt##=##\frac{Ca_o-Ca}{t_m}## (equating design equation of cstr with rate equation), we can't do the above thing right?As here the concentration isn't dropping gradually instead its sudden drop and also there is uniformity in the cstr
 
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okay, so does that mean we can't equate ##-dCa/dt##=##\frac{Ca_o-Ca}{t_m}## (equating design equation of cstr with rate equation), we can't do the above thing right?As here the concentration isn't dropping gradually instead its sudden drop and also there is uniformity in the cstr
Yes. The equation should really read: $$\frac{(C_a-C_{a0})}{t_m}=r_a|_{C_a}$$
I've never liked the idea of writing ##dC_a/dt=r_a## because it only applies to batch reactors.
 
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Okay great , Thank you so much :)
 

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