What is the value of the triple integral 15.4.08?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the triple integral given in a calculus problem from Thomas' Calculus textbook. Participants explore the correct setup and evaluation of the integral, addressing potential errors in the integration process and limits.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their evaluation of the integral, arriving at a value of -6, but expresses uncertainty about the remaining steps.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the middle integral, stating that it is ill-defined due to the presence of a bound variable in the limits of integration.
  • Some participants suggest that the order of integration might need to be reconsidered, proposing that it should be dz dx dy instead.
  • There are discussions about potential sign errors in the calculations, particularly regarding the coefficients of y in the integrals.
  • Several participants attempt to clarify the integration process, emphasizing that y should be treated as a constant during the inner integration with respect to x.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the integration steps and seeks further clarification on the remaining integral with respect to y.
  • Another participant points out an error in the coefficient of y^3 in one of the calculations, prompting a reevaluation of the steps.
  • In a later post, a participant summarizes their calculations, arriving at -6 again, but asks for suggestions on their approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to the integral, with multiple competing views on the setup and evaluation of the integral remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential errors in the integration steps, particularly regarding the treatment of variables and coefficients, but these remain uncorrected within the discussion.

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\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I_{15.5.8}&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\int_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2}
dz \ dy \ dx \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\Biggr|z\Biggr|_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2}\\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y} 8-2x^2-4y^2 \ dy \ dx \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}\Biggr|8y-2x^2 y-\frac{4}{3}y^3\Biggr|_{0}^{3y} \, dx\\
&=\\
W|A&=\color{red}{-6}
\end{align*}
OK not sure about these remaining steps
red is answer from WolframAlpha
 
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Your middle integral is ill-defined. You don't get y in the limits of an integral defined with dy. Only x should remain after evaluation for z and y.

Did you construct this integral or was it printed in the book you don't want to buy?
 
tkhunny said:
Your middle integral is ill-defined. You don't get y in the limits of an integral defined with dy. Only x should remain after evaluation for z and y.

Did you construct this integral or was it printed in the book you don't want to buy?
Its from
Thomas calculus 12th edition 15.5.8

I was just trying to follow a very similar example

symbolab showed steps but it was confusingIm not going to buy another textbook especially when same thing is in the one I have
 
karush said:
Its from
Thomas calculus 12th edition 15.5.8

I was just trying to follow a very similar example

symbolab showed steps but it was confusingIm not going to buy another textbook especially when same thing is in the one I have
Are you sure it isn't supposed to be $\,{dz}\,{dx}\,{dy}$? Because that does give $-6$.

As tkhunny said you can't integrate with respect to a bound variable ($y$).
 
June29 said:
Are you sure it isn't supposed to be $\,{dz}\,{dx}\,{dy}$? Because that does give $-6$.

As tkhunny said you can't integrate with respect to a bound variable $y$.

your right I copied wrongView attachment 7694
 
ok want to go thru this again
the next step not sure because it has an x and y in it.:confused:

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I_{15.5.8}&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\int_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2}
dz \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\Biggr|z\Biggr|_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2} \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y} 8-2x^2-4y^2 \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \Biggr|-\frac{2 x^3}{3} - 4 x y^2 + 8 x\Biggr|_{0}^{3y} dy \\
W|A&=\color{red}{-6}
\end{align*}
 
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karush said:
the next step not sure because it has an x and y in it.:confused:

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I_{15.5.8}&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\int_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2}
dz \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\Biggr|z\Biggr|_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2} \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y} 8-2x^2-4y^2 \ dx \ dy \\
&= \\
W|A&=\color{red}{-6}
\end{align*}
First do the inner integral, for which the value of $y$ stays fixed: $y$ is simply a constant as far as the inner integral is concerned. (Imagine, if you like, that $y = \pi$ and perform the inner integration with respect to $x$. The result will be an expression in terms of $y$ that can then be integrated with respect to $y$.)
 
like this?

$$ \begin{align*}\displaystyle
I_{15.5.8}&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\int_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2}
dz \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\Biggr|z\Biggr|_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2} \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y} 8-2x^2-4y^2 \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \Biggr|-\frac{2 x^3}{3} - 4 x y^2 + 8 x\Biggr|_{0}^{3y} dy \\
W|A&=\color{red}{-6}
\end{align*}
$$
 
karush said:
like this?

$$ \begin{align*}\displaystyle
I_{15.5.8}&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\int_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2}
dz \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\Biggr|z\Biggr|_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2} \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y} 8-2x^2-4y^2 \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \Biggr|-\frac{2 x^3}{3} - 4 x y^2 + 8 x\Biggr|_{0}^{3y} dy \\
W|A&=\color{red}{-6}
\end{align*}
$$
Correct.
 
  • #10
You wrote to me:
karush said:
tried next steps but no -6
So, what does your next step look like?
Specifically, what is the remaining integral w.r.t. $y$?
 
  • #11
there is a sign error somewhere it this...:(

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I_{15.5.8}&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\int_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2}
dz \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y}
\Biggr|z\Biggr|_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2} \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}
\int_{0}^{3y} 8-2x^2-4y^2 \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \Biggr|-\frac{2 x^3}{3} - 4 x y^2 + 8 x\Biggr|_{0}^{3y} \, dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}-\frac{2(3y)^3}{3} - 4 (3y) y^2 + 8 (3y) \, dy\\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}-2y^3-12y^3+24y \, \, dy\\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}-14y^3+24y \, \, dy\\
&=\Biggr|\frac{-14y^4}{4}+\frac{24y^2}{2}\Biggr|_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \\
&=\frac{-14(\sqrt{2})^4}{4}+\frac{24(\sqrt{2})^2}{2}\\
&=-14+24\\
&=6\\
W|A&=\color{red}{-6}
\end{align*}
 
  • #12
Something goes wrong in the 6th equality.
Your coefficient of $y^3$ is not correct.
 
  • #13
ok think this is it

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I_{15.5.8}&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \int_{0}^{3y} \int_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2} dz \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \int_{0}^{3y} \Biggr|z\Biggr|_{x^2+3y^2}^{8-x^2-y^2} \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \int_{0}^{3y} 8-2x^2-4y^2 \ dx \ dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \Biggr|-\frac{2 x^3}{3} - 4 x y^2 + 8 x\Biggr|_{0}^{3y} \, dy \\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}-\frac{2(3y)^3}{3} - 4 (3y) y^2 + 8 (3y) \, dy\\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}-18y^3-12y^3+24y \, \, dy\\
&=\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}}-30y^3+24y \, \, dy\\
&=\Biggr|\frac{-30y^4}{4}+\frac{24y^2}{2}\Biggr|_{0}^{\sqrt{2}} \\
&=\frac{-30(\sqrt{2})^4}{4}+\frac{24(\sqrt{2})^2}{2}\\
&=-30+24\\
&=-6\\
W|A&=\color{red}{-6}
\end{align*}

Suggestions ??
 
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  • #14
What is $-\frac{2(3y)^3}{3}$ equal to?
 
  • #15
$$\frac{2(27y^3)}{3}=18y^3$$I redid in post #13
 

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