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$\sqrt {x+\dfrac {1}{x}+1}+\sqrt {x+\dfrac {1}{x}}=x $
find the value(s) of $x$
find the value(s) of $x$
The discussion revolves around finding the value(s) of \( x \) in the equation \( \sqrt{x+\frac{1}{x}+1}+\sqrt{x+\frac{1}{x}}=x \). Participants explore variations on Ifdahl's solution, including transformations and algebraic manipulations.
Participants do not explicitly agree on the validity of the negative solution for \( y \), and there is no consensus on the overall approach or the implications of the derived solutions.
The discussion includes assumptions about the validity of squaring both sides of equations and the implications of discarding negative solutions without fully exploring their potential relevance.
lfdahl said:My attempt:
Given the equation:
\[\sqrt{x+\frac{1}{x}+1}+\sqrt{x+\frac{1}{x}} = x\: \: \:\: \: \: \: \: \: \; (1)\]
Let $y = x+\frac{1}{x}$.
Squaring the given equation:
\[\left ( \sqrt{y+1}+\sqrt{y} \right )^2 = x^2 \Rightarrow 2y + 1+2\sqrt{y^2+y}=x^2 \]
Squaring again:
\[\Rightarrow 4(y^2+y)=\left ( x^2-2y-1 \right )^2\] \[\Rightarrow 4y^2+4y = 4y^2+4y-4x^2y+x^4-2x^2+1 \] \[ \Rightarrow 4x^2y -x^4+2x^2-1=0\]
The last equation is a polynomial of 4th degree:
\[4x^2\left ( x+\frac{1}{x} \right )-x^4+2x^2-1 = 0 \] \[ \Rightarrow x^4-4x^3-2x^2-4x+1 = 0\]
This looks a lot like $(x-1)^4$ except for the midterm ($-2x^2$), so we´ll have to correct with $-8x^2$. The polynomial then has the form:\[(x-1)^4-8x^2 = 0\]
Taking the square root of the identity: $(x-1)^4=8x^2$ leads to:
\[x^2-(2+\sqrt{8})x+1 = 0\]
There are two positive roots \[x = \frac{1}{2}\left ( 2+\sqrt{8} \pm \sqrt{8+4\sqrt{8}} \right )\]
or
\[x = 1+\sqrt{2}\pm \sqrt{2+\sqrt{8}} = 1+\sqrt{2}\left ( 1 \pm\sqrt{1+\sqrt{2}} \right ) \approx \left\{\begin{matrix} 4.612\\0.217 = \frac{1}{4.612} \end{matrix}\right.\]
The roots are reciprocals, because the left hand side of $(1)$ is symmetric in $x$ and $\frac{1}{x}$, so both roots yield the same RHS, namely $\approx$ 4.612. Therefore, only the larger root is valid.