What is the Wavelength of a Photon Emitted by HCl in a Vibrational Transition?

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The discussion revolves around determining the wavelength of a photon emitted by HCl during a vibrational transition, specifically when it de-excites from the first vibrational state. Participants are exploring the nature of vibrational states in diatomic molecules and the implications of quantum harmonic oscillator models.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to clarify the definition of the first vibrational state, questioning whether it is the ground state or the first excited state. There is also discussion about the energy levels of a quantum harmonic oscillator and how they relate to the problem at hand.

Discussion Status

The discussion is actively exploring different interpretations of vibrational states and their corresponding energy levels. Some participants have provided insights into the definitions and relationships of these states, but there is no explicit consensus on the implications for the original problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the labeling of vibrational states, particularly whether the first vibrational state corresponds to n=1 or n=2, which may affect the understanding of the de-excitation process.

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Homework Statement


What
 is 
the 
wavelength 
of 
the 
emitted
 photon 
when
 HCl
 de‐excites 
from
 the
 first vibrational 
state?

Well, I had to solve for the energy of the first vibrational state in the question before, assuming that it behaved like a harmonic oscillator using the reduced mass, which would be at n=1 (here we are only using Bohr's quantization rules). However, how can one de-excite from the n=1 state? Is this not the ground state that we cannot drop any further from, like for the quantum harmonic oscillator?

Homework Equations



E=n h \nu,~\nu=\frac{\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}}{2\pi},~E=\frac{h c}{\lambda}

The Attempt at a Solution



I would think that if there is a solution, it would just be using the energy from the problem before, and use the de Broglie wavelength equation to solve.
 
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Dahaka14 said:
However, how can one de-excite from the n=1 state? Is this not the ground state that we cannot drop any further from, like for the quantum harmonic oscillator?
Note that the first excited state is by definition, the first state above the ground state. So if the ground state is n=1, then the first excited state is n=2.
 
I understand that. I guess the question is: what is the first vibrational state? Is it the ground state, or one above for a diatomic molecule?
 
Dahaka14 said:
I understand that. I guess the question is: what is the first vibrational state? Is it the ground state, or one above for a diatomic molecule?
As you should know, the vibrational energy levels for a quantum harmonic oscillator obey the relationship:

E_n = \left(n+\frac{1}{2}\right)h\bar\omega\;\;\;n=0,1,2,3,\ldots

So in this case the ground state is the n=0 state and the first vibrational state is n=1. The reason why the question specifically states vibrational energy levels is that a diatomic molecule may also have translational, rotational and electronic energy levels.
 

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