Why is L=2 not acceptable for carbon according to Hund's second rule?

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In summary, the "top of the ladder" refers to the final state obtained by successive application of the raising ladder operator. The symmetry of this state, which is necessary for overall antisymmetrization, results in the constraint that the total orbital angular momentum (L) cannot equal 2 for carbon. This is because the only way to build the desired state is with a symmetric spin state, which conflicts with the need for an antisymmetric spatial state.
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At Griffiths QM 3rd edition, page 215 Problem 5.18(b), it reads:

(b) Hund's second rule says that, for a given spin, the state with the highest total orbital angular momentum (L), consistent with overall antisymmetrization, will have the lowest energy. Why doesn't carbon have L=2? Hint: Note that the "top of the ladder" (##M_L = L##) is symmetric.

However, where the top of the ladder is mentioned in the book? I can locate the ladder operator part, but I cannot find something relating to the symmetry of the top of the ladder.

In the solution, it says :
... by going to the top of the ladder: ##|2 2>=|1 1>_1 |1 1>_2##

OK, I'm totally confused now.
 
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The "top of the ladder" is simply the final state obtained by successive application of the raising ladder operator.

The symmetry comes from the fact that the only way to build the ##| L = 2, M_L=2 \rangle## state from single-electron states is
$$
| L = 2, M_L=2 \rangle = | l = 1, m_l=1 \rangle \otimes | l = 1, m_l=1 \rangle
$$
That state is symmetric with respect to particle interchange. What constraint does that put on the spin part of the state?
 
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DrClaude said:
The "top of the ladder" is simply the final state obtained by successive application of the raising ladder operator.

The symmetry comes from the fact that the only way to build the ##| L = 2, M_L=2 \rangle## state from single-electron states is
$$
| L = 2, M_L=2 \rangle = | l = 1, m_l=1 \rangle \otimes | l = 1, m_l=1 \rangle
$$
That state is symmetric with respect to particle interchange. What constraint does that put on the spin part of the state?

Thanks, Drclaude.

I can see why it says ##M_L = L##, now.
I understand since ##S=1## is symmetrical, then the spatial state should be antisymmetrical, and then ##L=2## is unacceptable.
 
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Haorong Wu said:
I understand since ##S=1## is symmetrical, then the spatial state should be antisymmetrical, and then ##L=2## is unacceptable.
Correct.
 

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