What is Voltage? Elaborated Question Explained

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The discussion revolves around the concept of voltage, specifically exploring its nature and implications in electrical circuits. Participants examine the relationship between voltage, current, and energy, as well as the analogies used to understand these concepts. The scope includes theoretical explanations, analogies, and conceptual clarifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what differentiates a current of 1 amp at 1 volt from a current of 1 amp at 2 volts, focusing on the implications of voltage on energy per coulomb.
  • Another participant suggests that voltage can be likened to potential energy in a water analogy, where wires are pipes and batteries are pumps, but questions the relevance of pressure in this analogy.
  • A different participant describes voltage as the amount of work per unit charge that an electric field can do, emphasizing the relationship between potential energy and charge movement.
  • One participant reflects on the water analogy, considering how potential energy translates to kinetic energy and questioning the nature of electrical energy in relation to electron movement and density.
  • Another participant clarifies that voltage is related to the electric potential field and not directly to the electrons themselves, explaining that high voltage indicates a rapid change in potential along a wire.
  • Several participants raise questions about the dangers of high voltage, discussing the relationship between voltage and current, and how high voltage can lead to dangerous currents in humans.
  • One participant emphasizes the complexity of defining what voltage "actually is," suggesting that it arises from an unbalanced charge distribution creating an electric field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of voltage and its implications, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on a singular definition or understanding of voltage, as participants explore different analogies and explanations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their analogies and understanding, with some expressing confusion about the relationship between voltage, current, and energy. The discussion reveals a dependence on various interpretations and analogies that may not fully capture the complexities of electrical concepts.

  • #31
Jame said:
voltage is what you call conserved energy.
Voltage is potential energy per unit charge, it's not potential energy. It's not useful for predicting the amount of work done unless the current (charge flow / unit time) or associated capacitance is included.

Back to my previous analogy, a 1 gram weight at 30 meters above sea level has the same gravitational potential as a 1 kilo-gram weight, but the potential energies are not the same.

Similarly, a 1 micro farad capacitor and a 1 farad capacitor might have the same potential, 12 volts, but the 1 farad capacitor has a lot more potential energy stored in it.
 
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  • #32
\Delta V = \int_a^b \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{s}

user111_23 said:
I don't know calculus that well (I'm a freshman in high school), but isn't that just "Es" or Ed? (Electric field times distance)
It's a dot product between the vector E and the small distance moved by the vector\Delta s. Only a change in the direction of the field matters, movement perpendicualr to the field doesn't change the voltage.

\Delta V = \int_a^b \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{s} = \int_a^b E cos(\theta) ds = \int_{r_a}^{r_b} E dr

where r is the distance from the field source to a point in the field.

For a point source
E = k q / r^2
\Delta V = k q \int_{r_a}^{r_b} dr / r^2 = - k q (\frac{1}{r_b} - \frac{1}{r_a})

For an infinite line source
E = k q / r
\Delta V = k q \int_{r_a}^{r_b} dr / r = k q (ln(r_b) - ln(r_a))

For an infinite plate source
E = k q
\Delta V = k q \int_{r_a}^{r_b} dr = k q ((r_b) - (r_a))

Since change in potential energy from point a to b = - work done moving from point a to point b

\Delta E_p = E_{pa} - E_{pb}

\Delta V = V_a - V_b[/itex]
 
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  • #33
Jeff Reid:

A clear and elegant exposition of the relevant facts.

(if you already know what you're talking about, and have studied the things before, and already know the answer to the question being asked, ...)
 

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