What kind of drugs are legal in your countries?

[Saint]

None of the drugs are legal here, malaysia.
Is cannabis , marijuana, heorin etc legal in US?


I read that Britney spears took drugs too.

 

[Sweet & Intellectual]

no.

I know they were trying to legalize marijuana.

 

[Sweet & Intellectual]

I'll leave the country if they do.

 

[Gokul43201]

In the US, there are State drug laws as well as Federal Laws. Sometimes, as in the case of California - where medical marijuana is legal - you have interesting conflicts, such as :

In January 2003 Ed Rosenthal, a medical marijuana advocate who grows the drug for use by the sick, was brought to trial in district court and found guilty on federal drug charges. Rosenthal's attorneys maintained that Rosenthal was legally growing the drug as "an officer of the city" under Oakland's local medical marijuana law. The judge ruled that this defense was not valid under federal law and did not allow the defense to be presented at trial. After the verdict, five jurors came forward and claimed that, had they known that Rosenthal had official sanction to provide marijuana under Oakland's medical marijuana law, they would not have found him guilty. They issued a public apology to Rosenthal and demanded that the judge grant him a new trial.

 

[humanino]

About marijuana :
That would be a little more honest, considering they could not prevent the market. They failed in forbidening consumption. De facto one part the people is consumming it, and it looks (at least to me) hopeless to forbid that.

Would it not be a little more efficient to control the production and the consumption by taxing it, and maybe easier to know who takes what amount, and who needs help... ? Alcohol is legual, and is very dangerous too. Alcohol is the other extreme : let it sold, just restrict to people old enough to be responsible if they destroy their life. They should find a balance, by trying to tell people "You can use those toxic product if you want, sometimes, and we have to control this because it is really dangerous for you" and thus for instance sell it the way some restricted medicines are sold. Both for alcohol and marijuana.

 

[Gokul43201]

Eventually, I believe, marijuana will be legalized and regulated. In my opinion, it's just a matter of time.

 

[Sweet & Intellectual]

Eventually, I believe, marijuana will be legalized and regulated. In my opinion, it's just a matter of time.

Do you think it should be legalized?

yes, I know that's a loaded question =)

 

[arildno]

Recently, a law was passed in Norway that almost criminalized the enjoyment of nicotine..

 

[i_wish_i_was_smart]

here in Canada, weed is decriminalized, or is it, i know it was in the process, but that's it, everything else is illegal

 

[Gokul43201]

Do you think it should be legalized?

yes, I know that's a loaded question =)

Since it's loaded, I may as well shoot : Yes, I do.

It's easy to jump to conclusions on the basis of this response, but I'm not going to go into a lengthy explanation of my reasoning. Perhaps a new thread titled "should marijuana be legalized ?" will elicit discussion.


So arildno, it's okay if you don't "enjoy" the nicotine ??

 

[arildno]

It's okay if I don't sit indoors at a restaurant/bar while I smoke..(I hate those sweetheart-allergics with their pansy-ideas about what makes a good indoor climate!)

 

[Gokul43201]

It's okay if I don't sit indoors at a restaurant/bar while I smoke..(I hate those sweetheart-allergics with their pansy-ideas about what makes a good indoor climate!)

Hoooah ! Um, by the way, that kind of law has been passed in New York, California and a few other states, if I'm not mistaken.

I think there are places where it is reasonable to have such a regulation, and places where it's not.

Do you complain that smoking in not allowed in movie theaters ?

 

[Sweet & Intellectual]

It's okay if I don't sit indoors at a restaurant/bar while I smoke..(I hate those sweetheart-allergics with their pansy-ideas about what makes a good indoor climate!)

I think you have a point about nicotine on one side, that just like prefume can be worn in public, and can be smelled -- for better or worse -- nicotine should be able to as well.. right?

BUT what about the fact that its PROVEN that second hand smoke is as dangerous if not WORSE than smoking a cig.

Kill yourself, but don't kill others. :(

 

[Kerrie]

I think you have a point about nicotine on one side, that just like prefume can be worn in public, and can be smelled -- for better or worse -- nicotine should be able to as well.. right?

BUT what about the fact that its PROVEN that second hand smoke is as dangerous if not WORSE than smoking a cig.

Kill yourself, but don't kill others. :(

smoking cigarettes in public places is illegal in my state too...you say "kill yourself, but don't kill others", well, that is why we have DUI laws...don't let your choices affect others, i completely agree.

 

[arildno]

Maybe I'm just a wee bit emotional about this issue; but then no one of you live in Alaska, so you don't know what winter is..

 

[Saint]

in malaysia, posseing 15 grams of cocaine, heroin etc. can bring you mandatory death penalty --- hanged until death!

 

[Moonbear]

in malaysia, posseing 15 grams of cocaine, heroin etc. can bring you mandatory death penalty --- hanged until death!

Wow! I guess doing drugs is really bad for your health there! Are those quantities considered possession or is the penalty so high because they are considered to be dealers to have that quantity?

Also just wondering...does it actually prevent people from doing drugs there? Or does it just make them more careful to not get caught?

 

[Saint]

we have executed hundreds of drugtraffickers since 1960s.
we also killed foreigner like Australians who brought drugs into our country.

 

[chroot]

Yes, of course... a person's life is certainly not worth more than fifteen grams of substances that most people use to simply to overcome unfortunate, crippling congenital reward-deficit disorders. Saint, you almost list those execution statistics like you're proud of them.

- Warren

 

[Gokul43201]

in malaysia, posseing 15 grams of cocaine, heroin etc. can bring you mandatory death penalty --- hanged until death!

This is true ! It was announced by a stewardess on a flight I took that required a transit at Kuala Lumpur. My neighbour nearly jumped out of his seat (seatbelt, and all) !

 

[Gokul43201]

Maybe I'm just a wee bit emotional about this issue; but then no one of you live in Alaska, so you don't know what winter is..

I've been to Narvik and Trondheim, but got by without so much as a single drag.

Umm... the Narvik visit was when I was about 2 years old. And when I said I've been to Trondheim, I meant "virtually" - it was a first person WWII computer game...but it felt cold, brrrrrrrr[/color].

 

[Moonbear]

This is true ! It was announced by a stewardess on a flight I took that required a transit at Kuala Lumpur. My neighbour nearly jumped out of his seat (seatbelt, and all) !

I wonder if they find a lot of drugs left under the seats in that plane?

 

[kronecker]

in malaysia, posseing 15 grams of cocaine, heroin etc. can bring you mandatory death penalty --- hanged until death!

in my county, farmers are allowed to kill pigs-like animales. pig industry is not very develop much. i heard most people in malaysia don't love pork, so i guess there are not many pigs in malaysia. i say about port because pork is good protein sources, esp from generation III, and IV and so on. from pigs livers, i don't know but i think people can also take out something to make a drug. it is legal anyway.

 

[gerben]

In the Netherlands, where I am from (I live momentarilly in Canada for two years) marihuana use is allowed, there are so-called coffee-shops where it is sold. There does not seem to be any problem and certainly the coffee-shops are much more friendly/peacefully that the caffee's, bars and disco's etc. where acohol is the primary intoxicating substance that is used.

There is, as probably many know, a very strange objection against cannabis products (see for example http://www.jackherer.com/index.html ), that has nothing to do with the health effects of marihuana but much with politics (and money).

I am personaly against any prohibtion of such substances and I think it would be best if people where just given information and left the choise to eat, drink, smoke, etc. whatever they want.

 

[Gza]

we have executed hundreds of drugtraffickers since 1960s.
we also killed foreigner like Australians who brought drugs into our country.

that is truly nothing to be proud of.

 

[Kerrie]

There is, as probably many know, a very strange objection against cannabis products (see for example http://www.jackherer.com/index.html ), that has nothing to do with the health effects of marihuana but much with politics (and money).

i've tried to bring this up once or twice in these discussions, and you are the only person who seems a bit educated on the real reason why. it is politics, money and big business. and these big businesses use propaganda that marijuana is extremely harmful and the gullible buy it. i am not advocating that marijuana is completely safe, but it sure is much safer then the effects of alcohol. those with no experience with it will buy the lies that big businesses tell through the media and keep sipping their vodka tonics.

 

[Saint]

our law forbids drugs and it is clearly stated that drug trafficking get death sentence, the foreigners who violated our laws DESERVE TO DIE FOR THEIR CRIME.
This is JUSTICE!

 

[Gokul43201]

our law forbids drugs and it is clearly stated that drug trafficking get death sentence, the foreigners who violated our laws DESERVE TO DIE FOR THEIR CRIME.
This is JUSTICE!

...because...the penalty is proportionate to the crime ?

How about driving with an expired driver's license ? Is that not against the law. Is it not clearly stated that driving without a valid license is a violation of the law ? Don't people (especially foreigners) that violate this law DESERVE TO DIE FOR THEIR CRIME ? Would this not be true JUSTICE ?

Yeah, make all crimes punishable by DEATH, and you don't need to waste money or space on prisons. Sounds like a good idea.

Why do I even bother ?

 

[check]

So killing people cause they have some dope isn't immoral but looking at porn is? Right Saint... right...

 

[hypnagogue]

Saint, do you realize how much better disco rock songs sound on drugs?

 

[Dagenais]

everything else is illegal

Errr...sort of.

In British Columbia, weed is legalized like you said, as long as you are carrying a reasonable amount. Basically, you can't have a truck full of weed.

I wouldn't say everything else is completely against the law though. There are special herion houses across the lower mainland British Columbia, where herion users can go to inject themselves, as long as they use clean needles provided by these 'houses'.

Is it not clearly stated that driving without a valid license is a violation of the law ?

Trafficing and driving with an experired license - big difference. Trafficing is a very dangerous business for those involved.

 

[chroot]

Trafficing and driving with an experired license - big difference. Trafficing is a very dangerous business for those involved.

It wouldn't be dangerous if it weren't illegal. I don't see any beer delivery trucks coming under fire.

- Warren

 

[Saint]

drugs like heroin destroys people's lives, many families are broken because of the fathers becoming a drug addict.
this very serious social problem, selling drugs is considered immoral and sinful, therefore malaysian government impose Death Penalty on drug traffickers.

 

[check]

In British Columbia, weed is legalized

Is it really legalized or just decriminalized?

 

[check]

drugs like heroin destroys people's lives, many families are broken because of the fathers becoming a drug addict.
this very serious social problem, selling drugs is considered immoral and sinful, therefore malaysian government impose Death Penalty on drug traffickers.

So killing them is a moral solution? Two wrongs make a right, eh Saint?

 

[Smurf]

Is it really legalized or just decriminalized?

decriminalized

drugs like heroin destroys people's lives, many families are broken because of the fathers becoming a drug addict.
this very serious social problem, selling drugs is considered immoral and sinful, therefore malaysian government impose Death Penalty on drug traffickers.

Families are ruined when one or both of the parents become alcoholics too.

 

[check]

Thought so. Thanks Smurf.

 

[Krazie]

drugs like heroin destroys people's lives, many families are broken because of the fathers becoming a drug addict.
this very serious social problem, selling drugs is considered immoral and sinful, therefore malaysian government impose Death Penalty on drug traffickers.

I think that there is nothing wrong with this law of killing drug traffickers. Drugs are horrible and do ruin peoples lives. And I can't believe that some people are taking the side of drug traffickers. These people are the epitome of evil. And of course I am not talking about marijuana, I am talking about the big bad three: Methamphetamine, Heroin, and Cocaine. And if you guys don't realize how evil that these drugs and the people that supply them to the public are, then you have never been exposed to them first hand, and I hope that you never will be.

 

[check]

I think that there is nothing wrong with this law of killing drug traffickers. Drugs are horrible and do ruin peoples lives. And I can't believe that some people are taking the side of drug traffickers. These people are the epitome of evil. And of course I am not talking about marijuana, I am talking about the big bad three: Methamphetamine, Heroin, and Cocaine. And if you guys don't realize how evil that these drugs and the people that supply them to the public are, then you have never been exposed to them first hand, and I hope that you never will be.

No one's taking the side of the drug traffickers. Of course a drug trafficker should be punished, just but not by death.

 

[Gokul43201]

drugs like heroin destroys people's lives

There's also the DEATH penalty for being in possession of over 200 gms of cannabis (marijuana, weed, pot, whatever you want to call it) unless the defendant can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that he wasn't trafficking: Section 39(B) of the Dangerous Drugs Act, passed in 1952.

Guilty until proven innocent.

We're talking about weed here, for heaven's sakes !

 

[Smurf]

who carries 200gms on them anyways...

 

[Gokul43201]

There's a townhouse (nearly) next door to me (filled with college kids) that has huge parties every weekend (for the last 3 weekends). The amount of weed that goes in and out that house would be enough to send a handfull of teenagers to the gallows every month.

But we're talking about weed here. Weed is legal in several countries and is used medically, all the time.

This law was passed in 1952 when precious little was known. I think it's time someone took another look at it. And Amnesty Int'l has been trying like crazy to get the Malays to throw out cannabis from that Law...but so far, no luck.

 

[Saint]

in malaysia, illegally owning weapon such as pistol, gun and bullet will carry Death Penalty also.
I read that american school boy carries gun to school for Personal Protection, true or not ?

What is your gun law?

 

[Gokul43201]

Answer to first question : not.

Answer to second question : not here.

 

[chroot]

I read that american school boy carries gun to school for Personal Protection, true or not ?

That's the stupid thing I've ever heard.

- Warren

 

[check]

in malaysia, illegally owning weapon such as pistol, gun and bullet will carry Death Penalty also.
I read that american school boy carries gun to school for Personal Protection, true or not ?

Jeez Saint, is anything in Malaysia that's NOT punishable by death?

What is your gun law?

In Canada you are allowed to own firearms for hunting only after you receive a permit to do so. You are not allowed to purchase or carry a handgun (although I'm not sure about collectables). Only in extremely rare circumstances are people allowed to carry handguns...but those people need to prove to a judge that they are in constant danger and that the police cannot provide them with protection. As such, less than 50 people in the entire country have permission to carry handguns.

Canada's gun laws are strict and violation of them could lead to heavy penalties...but not death. That's just stupid. Guns are stupid.

 

[Smurf]

I'm pretty sure that handguns arn't as strict as that where I live, I know several people with handguns. but then, almost every familly I know has a rifle or two so its not nearly as common.

 

[Gokul43201]

in malaysia, illegally owning weapon such as pistol, gun and bullet will carry Death Penalty also.

In Malaysia, "Consorting with person carrying or having possession of arms or explosives" (Section 58(1) of Internal Security Act, 1960) can get you the death penalty, so watch out who you hang around with. And don't try any Mae West one-liners, either.

 

[Krazie]

In america you can now buy assualt riffles with no problem. You can even buy sn AK-47 legally. And to answer the question on whether school children bring guns to school, of course this does happen. When I was in seventh grade, a kid in MY class got arested for having a gun in his locker. He confessed to the principal that he was going to shoot a kid that had been picking on him. Then when I was in 10th grade the SAME kid, shot someone at my school dead right after school. He shot him over a car. This kind of stuff can't continue. This should not happen.

 

[Krazie]

Oh Yeah, this kid got some really light punishment too, because he was 17, and said that he had mental problems because when he was a little kid he witnessed his brother kill himself.