What Lobachevski meant by parallel lines

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of parallel lines in hyperbolic geometry and how they are defined as either limiting or ultraparallel lines. There is a question about the necessity of using limiting parallel lines in this context and whether it was done for the purpose of making the geometry more interesting. The conversation also touches on Lobachevsky's motivation for including this concept in his non-Euclidean geometry.
  • #1
nomadreid
Gold Member
1,670
204
I am not sure that this is the right rubric for this question, as it is historical, but as it is part of the history of Model Theory, I am putting it here. I will not be offended if the moderators decide that it doesn't belong here.

In https://arxiv.org/pdf/1008.2667.pdf, the author states that Lobachevsky
"calls 'parallels' (not just non-intersecting straight lines but) the two boundary lines which separate secants from non-secants (i.e. parallels in the usual terminology) passing through a given point."
whereby he earlier defines "secant" as follows
"For a terminological convenience I shall call a given straight line secant of another given straight line when the two lines intersect (in a single point)."

I do not understand what "boundary lines" here mean. Can someone clarify? Thanks.
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Perhaps this writeup on hyperbolic geometry explains it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry

I think in this case given a line and a point not on the line in a hyperbolic geometric plane then there are many lines going through the point that don't intersect with the given line and there are many lines that do intersect with the given line. Hence there is a boundary between those lines that don't and those that do and that is termed the parallel line.

Here's the article exerpt on it:
These non-intersecting lines are divided into two classes:

  • Two of the lines (x and y in the diagram) are limiting parallels (sometimes called critically parallel, horoparallel or just parallel): there is one in the direction of each of the ideal points at the "ends" of R, asymptotically approaching R, always getting closer to R, but never meeting it.
  • All other non-intersecting lines have a point of minimum distance and diverge from both sides of that point, and are called ultraparallel, diverging parallel or sometimes non-intersecting.
Some geometers simply use parallel lines instead of limiting parallel lines, with ultraparallel lines being just non-intersecting.
 
  • Like
Likes nomadreid
  • #3
Moved to General Mathematics, as we don't have a specifically geometry forum.
 
  • Like
Likes nomadreid
  • #4
Thanks, Jedishrfu. That explains it well; my question is thereby answered. I just have not figured out why he needs to refer to limiting parallel lines, if the purpose is merely to exhibit a geometry which violates Playfair's axiom: the "ultraparallel" lines do that sufficiently, don't they?
 
  • #5
I think the edge case is more interesting from a geometric point of view.
 
  • Like
Likes nomadreid
  • #6
Three questions: first, why is it more interesting, and two, do you think that is why Lobachevsky did that, to make it more interesting, and three, was it really necessary in order to make a consistent non-Euclidean (in this case, hyperbolic) geometry?
 

1. What is Lobachevski's definition of parallel lines?

Lobachevski's definition of parallel lines is that they are two or more lines that never intersect, no matter how far they are extended.

2. How is Lobachevski's definition of parallel lines different from Euclid's definition?

Lobachevski's definition is different from Euclid's because it allows for the possibility of parallel lines in non-Euclidean geometries, where the parallel postulate does not hold true.

3. What did Lobachevski mean by "parallel lines meet at infinity"?

Lobachevski meant that in non-Euclidean geometries, parallel lines can appear to converge at a point when extended, similar to how parallel lines on a globe appear to intersect at the poles.

4. How did Lobachevski's work on parallel lines contribute to the development of non-Euclidean geometries?

Lobachevski's work on parallel lines challenged Euclid's parallel postulate and opened the door for the development of non-Euclidean geometries, which have since been applied in fields such as physics and computer graphics.

5. What are some real-world applications of Lobachevski's work on parallel lines?

Lobachevski's work on non-Euclidean geometries has been applied in fields such as GPS technology, computer graphics, and general relativity, where the curvature of space is taken into account.

Similar threads

  • General Math
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
300
Replies
36
Views
4K
Replies
12
Views
1K
Replies
16
Views
3K
Replies
19
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • Precalculus Mathematics Homework Help
Replies
13
Views
3K
Back
Top