What Powers This Record-Breaking Radio Control Glider?

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The discussion revolves around the power source of a record-breaking radio control glider that achieves speeds up to 301 mph. Participants explore various theories regarding the mechanisms that enable such performance, including the role of gravity, thermals, and dynamic soaring techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that gravity is the ultimate power source for the glider's performance.
  • Another counters that gravity does not directly power thermals, which are instead driven by solar energy and thermodynamic processes.
  • Some participants argue that the glider is not utilizing thermals but is instead riding a ridge, where wind dynamics play a crucial role.
  • There is a discussion about the potential speeds the glider could achieve in various wind conditions, including the effects of tailwinds and headwinds.
  • A participant explains the concept of dynamic soaring, detailing how gliders exploit wind shear to gain speed beyond their terminal velocity.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of design improvements in modern gliders that allow them to withstand higher speeds and forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the glider's speed, with no consensus reached on whether gravity, thermals, or dynamic soaring techniques are the primary factors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the power source.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of terms like "power source" and "thermals," which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion also involves assumptions about wind conditions and the glider's flight path that are not fully detailed.

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Radio control glider circling at up to 301 mph (current record is 309mph), for those that don't know, can you guess what is the power source (note, it's truly a glider, no motors except for surface controls).

http://www.slopeaddiction.com/uploads/joemanordynamicweldonwebsite.wmv
 
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Ultimately gravity.
 
Uh.. .. no. The sun's gravity is not powering the thermals, it only kick-started the thermo-nuclear reactions which are powering Earth's thermals. Earth's gravity is certainly not a power source.
 
It not thermals. If this glider were put into an indefiniate veritcal dive, it's terminal velocity would be well below the 301mph it's acheiving in the video.
 
Gravity is powering the thermals - hot air rises because of the pressure of the cold air sinking around it, caused by gravity. You don't get convection without gravity.
 
Gravity is conservative. Thermals are a thermodynamic cycle: they are powered by the sun.

Anyway, that glider isn't thermaling, it is riding a ridge: a strong wind hits the side of the hill and is directed upwards. The link didn't say if the 309 mph is ground speed or airspeed, but I would suspect airspeed and the glider could be diving from a 120mph tailwind into a 120 mph headwind, with 60mph of its own speed.
 
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russ_watters said:
Anyway, that glider isn't thermaling, it is riding a ridge: a strong wind hits the side of the hill and is directed upwards. The link didn't say if the 309 mph is ground speed or airspeed, but I would suspect airspeed and the glider could be diving from a 120mph tailwind into a 120 mph headwind, with 60mph of its own speed.
You're getting close, the glider is circling on the downwind side of a ridge. Wind speeds at this ridge site can range from 45mph to 60mph.
 
Remember our peregrine falcon friends, who dive at a speed of 270 mph!
 
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In case anyone is wondering, it's called dynamic soaring. Wind is blowing across a ridge line. Downwind of the ridge line, the wind above the ridge line is nearly horizontal, but below the ridgeline is turbulent but on average non-moving air. The shear boundary between the horizontal wind and the non-moving wind is fairly small.

Gliders are launched on the upwind side of the slope to gain altitude, then they are flown past the ridge with a tailwind and flown across the shear boundary which increases the air speed. The gliders are circled back up into the headwind, gaining more airspeed. This is a gain of double the wind speed minus the losses from drag, especially when pulling high g turns as speeds increase. With 45mph to 60mph winds it's a lot of power, and the gliders can gain more speed than terminal velocity from a vertical dive. Early RC gliders used to break from the speed (flutter) and g forces, but newer ones designed for dynamic soaring with heavier carbon fiber used in the molded wings has reduced the rate of attrition.
 
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Jeff Reid said:
a gain of double the wind speed minus the losses from drag [per cycle]
Very nice effect. :smile: (I'd wondered where this was leading - by definition gliders are powered "by the wind", but I'd not heard of exploiting a wind gradient like this.)
Loren Booda said:
Remember our peregrine falcon friends
Alas, apparently it's the albatross that's relevant!
 
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