What should the normalization condition be for an energy distribution function?

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The discussion revolves around the normalization condition for an energy distribution function, particularly in the context of transitioning from a speed distribution function to an energy distribution function. Participants explore the implications of this transition and the appropriate normalization for the energy distribution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a speed distribution function, f(v), normalized to the total number of particles, and seeks to express this in terms of an energy distribution function, f(E).
  • Another participant questions the validity of the energy formula presented, noting a mismatch between scalar and vector quantities in the context of kinetic energy and electric potential.
  • A different participant suggests that f(v(E)) should not be equated to f(E) directly, proposing instead to define a new function g(E) = f(v(E)).
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the relationship between g(E) and f(v(E)), with a participant asserting that g(E) is a definition rather than the energy distribution function itself, which should be expressed as g(E)dv/dE.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct normalization condition for the energy distribution function, with some supporting normalization to the total number of particles and others suggesting alternative formulations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and relationships between the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the definitions of the functions and the implications of the transformations between velocity and energy distributions. The normalization conditions are not fully agreed upon, and the mathematical relationships are still under discussion.

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Hello everybody.
I have the following problem:
I am given a Speed distribution function, f(v). This distribution is normalized to the total number of particles there are, that's equivalent to:

\int_0^\infty f(v) dv = n_0

(particles traveling away from my target are not considered.)Now. I know the following equation should hold:

\int_w^\infty v f(v) dv = \alpha

where \alpha is a constant, and w=\sqrt{\frac{2e\epsilon}{m}}. Here e is the charge of the electron, and \epsilon is another constant.

All this is part of the theory I am trying to simulate on my computer program.
The thing is, when I started my program, I decided to work with energies rather than velocities, so I have to express both, the normalization condition, and the equation itself in terms of my energy distribution function f(E).

Since energy and velocity are related as follow:

\frac{1}{2}mv^2 = eE

(the energy is in eV)

Then,

dV=\sqrt{\frac{e}{2mE}}dE

If you replace all the v's with E's and realize that f(v)=f(v(E))=f(E), then you have:

\frac{e}{m}\int_{\epsilon}^\infty f(E) dE = \alpha

I think until now I have got it correct.
Im just a little confused about what should \int_0^\infty f(E) dE be normalized to. I mean...either:

a.) Since f(E) is also a distribution function, it should also be normalized to the total number of particles. \int_0^\infty f(E) dE = n_0

b.) If you perform the substitution \frac{1}{2}mv^2 = eE to the normalization condition for f(V) you get the following:

\int_0^\infty \sqrt{\frac{e}{2mE}}f(E)dE=n_0

which is not precisely what's written under option a.)...

Do you understand my dilemma?

Can anybody help me out ?
 
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I do not exactly understand what you are up to, but your energy formula cannot be right. On the left-hand side you write a scalar quantity, nonrelativistic kinetic energy, on the right-hand side a vector. That cannot match! For an electrostatic situation you have

E=\frac{m}{2}\vec{v}^2+e \Phi,

where \Phi is the potential of the electric field,

\vec{E}=-\vec{\nabla} \Phi.
 
Be careful, f(v(E)) is not equal to f(E), because your function v(E) is not the identity transformation. Rather you shuld define g(E) = f(v(E)) and replace all your f(E)'s with g(E)'s.
This way the alpha-condition you wrote is correct, and the correct normalization condition is a).
 
@ Vanhees 71:
Hey!, thanks for your reply. But I still don't understand your comment.
\vec{v}^2=\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}\in R
which is also a scalar.

I guess you misunderstood my no0tation (sorry for thta XD, my mistake). E is not the electric field. E is the total mechanical energy of the system. e, on the other side, is the charge of the electron.


@P. Mugver

Thanks for your comment.
f(v)=f(v(E)) is easy to understand. Now, it seems obvious to me that from there, f(v(E))=f(E) where f(E) is simply the velocity distribution function, expressed in terms of the energy.

If now, there would exist g(E) (energy distribution function function) then I am pretty sure a.) will hold. However, what I am not sure of is:

Does g(E) = f(v(E))?

Where g(E) is the energy distribution function, normalized to n_0, and f(v(E)) is simple the velocity distribution function expressed in terms of the energy.
 
g(E)=f(v(E)) is a definition, not the energy distribution, which is, instead g(E)dv/dE, and the normalization is the same.
 

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