What Solid Is Represented by This Integral?

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The discussion centers around interpreting a double integral as the volume of a solid defined by a specific region in the xy-plane and an upper surface described by a plane equation. The integral in question is $$\int_0^a dy \int_0^{\sqrt{a^2 - y^2}} \frac{2x + 4y}{3} dx$$ which relates to a solid that appears to be a quarter of a cylinder with a sloped top face.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the geometric interpretation of the solid, questioning the nature of the lower surface and how to express the volume integral correctly. There are attempts to clarify the boundaries of the region and the implications of the integral's setup.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the solid and the integral. Some have provided insights into the nature of the surfaces involved, while others are questioning the formulation of the integral as a volume representation.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the proper notation for the region described by the integral, with emphasis on the correct use of inequalities. Participants also note that the choice of the lower surface is somewhat arbitrary, which may affect the interpretation of the volume.

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Interpret the integral as the volume of a certain solid and describe the solid geometrically. Calculate the volume.

$$\int_0^a dy \int_0^{\sqrt{a^2 - y^2}} \frac{2x + 4y}{3} dx$$

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Clearly we have an upper surface ##z = \frac{1}{3} (2x + 4y)##, which is a plane through the origin since ##(x,y) = (0,0) \Rightarrow z = 0##.

The region appears to be described by:

$$R := \{(x,y) \in \mathbb{R^2} \space | \space x=0, y=0, x^2 + y^2 = a^2 \}$$

So we have a cylinder of radius ##a##, which we have sliced by the planes ##x = 0## and ##y = 0##. This leaves a quarter of a cake piece in the first quadrant.

Then the plane ##z = \frac{1}{3} (2x + 4y)## cuts a chunk out of the bottom half of the cake, creating a quarter cake piece with a slope on its top face aimed towards the origin.

I'm not sure what you would call this solid. Calculating the volume of the integral is easy afterwards.

EDIT: It seems like a sloped quarter disk?
 
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Zondrina said:
Clearly we have an upper surface ##z = \frac{1}{3} (2x + 4y)##, which is a plane through the origin since ##(x,y) = (0,0) \Rightarrow z = 0##.
OK, but what is the lower surface?
The region appears to be described by:

$$R := \{(x,y) \in \mathbb{R^2} \space | \space x=0, y=0, x^2 + y^2 = a^2 \}$$
You don't want "=" in there.
 
haruspex said:
OK, but what is the lower surface?
You don't want "=" in there.

The lower surface is a cylinder. I should have mentioned that. Also, that '=' should read '≤'.
 
Zondrina said:
The lower surface is a cylinder.
You're trying to express the integral as the volume of a solid. That means it should correspond to a triple integral ∫∫∫dz.dy.dx over some region. But you are given ∫∫(2x+4y)/3 dy.dx. How do you make that look like a triple integral of "1"?
 
haruspex said:
You're trying to express the integral as the volume of a solid. That means it should correspond to a triple integral ∫∫∫dz.dy.dx over some region. But you are given ∫∫(2x+4y)/3 dy.dx. How do you make that look like a triple integral of "1"?

In that context we should talk in generality for a moment. Suppose ##S## is the 3-D region in question then the volume of ##S## is given by:

$$V_S = \int \int \int_S dV$$

We know that ##S## is the region below ##z = \frac{1}{3} (2x + 4y)## and above the region ##R## in the x-y plane. So we can re-write the integral:

$$V_S = \int \int \int_S dV = \int \int_R \left[\int_0^z dz \right]dA = \int \int_R z dA = \int \int_R \frac{1}{3} (2x + 4y) dA$$

EDIT: Just to be a little more rigorous, I should mention:

$$S := \{ (x,y,z) \space | \space (x,y) \in R, \space x=0, \space y = 0, \space x^2 + y^2 \leq a^2, \space 0 \leq z \leq \frac{1}{3} (2x + 4y) \}$$
 
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Zondrina said:
$$S := \{ (x,y,z) \space | \space (x,y) \in R, \space x=0, \space y = 0, \space x^2 + y^2 \leq a^2, \space 0 \leq z \leq \frac{1}{3} (2x + 4y) \}$$
Right, this is the lower surface: 0 ≤ z.
Note, though, that this is arbitrary. You could have validly chosen 1 ≤ z ≤ (2x + 4y)/3 + 1, etc.
 
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