What type of pressure and temperature sensors should I use?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around selecting appropriate temperature and pressure sensors for a final year project (FYP) focused on observing the behavior of a valveless pulse jet. The project involves altering the shape and dimensions of the combustion chamber while maintaining a constant volume, with temperature measurements expected to reach between 2000°C and 2500°C and a compression ratio of approximately 1.2.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses skepticism about the availability of sensors that can withstand the high temperatures directly, suggesting the need for unconventional solutions.
  • Another participant proposes a non-contact infrared approach for temperature measurement as a potential solution.
  • A specific probe that can handle temperatures up to 2300°C is mentioned, along with a caution about its sensitivity to oxidation, implying a need for periodic replacement.
  • Concerns are raised about the need for sensors to extend into the combustion chamber to accurately measure gas temperature rather than wall temperature, which may have significant thermal inertia.
  • Discussion includes the necessity for high-frequency response sensors due to the short pulse times of the jet, with references to specific thermocouple types that may be suitable but may not have the desired frequency response.
  • For pressure measurement, it is noted that high-frequency pressure transducers will be necessary, along with methods to keep them cool, given the high temperatures involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of available sensors for the specified temperature range, with some suggesting alternative measurement methods while others highlight the limitations of conventional sensors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to sensor selection.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for measurement error at high temperatures and the need for specific sensor designs to achieve accurate readings in a dynamic environment.

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hello. My FYP is to observe the behavior of a valveless pulse jet by changing shape and dimensions of combustion chamber( i am keeping the volume of combustion chamber constant). i need to know what type of sensor should i use for temperature and pressure measurement. I mean temperature should be around 2000 Celsius-2500 Celsius and compression ratio is about 1.2.
 
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Honestly I don't think there will be any sensors available which can put up with those temperatures directly... You might have to implement some less conventional solutions to get what you need.

Have you considered a non-contact infrared approach for temperature measurement?
 
Here is a probe that is good to 2300C: http://www.omega.com/pptst/XTA-W5R26.html

I hope you don't need too many of them.

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Note: Omega states that probe is "Very Sensitive to Oxidation Above 570°F" which means it may need periodic replacement due to oxidation. I would think a non-contact probe would be a more reliable approach.
 
You are going to need a sensor that extends out into the combustion chamber, otherwise it will primarily just read the temperature of the walls, which will have a very large thermal inertial and not change nearly as fast as the gas temperature will. Similarly, you will need a very high frequency response because presumably your pulses are likely short. Combining that with the high temperatures will be... problematic. I know type G, C, and D thermocouples from Omega (which are not industry standard designations) can go up to something like 2300°C, which is likely close enough. They don't likely have high frequency response, though it might be worth a try. Otherwise you are probably stuck with some of the more standard thermocouple types which might have high-speed varieties (I know they exist for type E) and you just will perhaps have a lot of measurement error at your high temperatures.

As for pressure, The highest temperature I saw in a (very quick) Google search was ~400°C. Basically, what you will have to likely do is get a high-frequency pressure transducer and find a way to keep it cool. I suspect that won't be a problem due to the fact that your pulse times are likely so short that very little thermal energy is likely transferred to the transducer.
 

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