News What were the consequences of Israel's attack on the Gaza Aid Flotilla?

[arildno]

Why don't we have flotillas of people trying to bring aid to Tibet(

Because the Chinese are actually dangerous, whereas every leftist knows that Jews are not.

You-know-who the most dangerous culture is, and that is why leftists go out of their way to please them.

They won't be able to do so, and will only earn contempt&tyranny as their reward.

 

[mheslep]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26562617/" an appropriate naval delivery of humanitarian aid to a country beleaguered by a hostile power, despite military dominance of the hostile power in the surrounding waters.

The flagship of the U.S. 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean, the USS Mount Whitney, arrived at the Georgian port of Poti on Friday with humanitarian supplies.

USS Mount Whitney in the Black Sea.

The in-your-face anchorage at Poti came as Vice President Dick Cheney visited nearby Ukraine, another former Soviet republic that feels threatened by Moscow's military maneuverings.

 

[EnumaElish]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26562617/" an appropriate naval delivery of humanitarian aid to a country beleaguered by a hostile power, despite military dominance of the hostile power in the surrounding waters.

USS Mount Whitney in the Black Sea.

Had Russia announced a naval blockade?

 

[EnumaElish]

You-know-who the most dangerous culture is, and that is why leftists go out of their way to please them.

They won't be able to do so, and will only earn contempt&tyranny as their reward.

Who/what is the most dangerous culture? You mean religious/nationalist fanaticism of any and all stripes? Or do you have someone in particular in mind?

More generally I don't get why the left would be trying to appease someone just because they are dangerous. Are the lefties afraid? Are they buying time? Do they have some ulterior motive?

Your general line of discussion under this thread has been informative and at times illuminating. But your last post makes absolutely no sense to me. Should I be afraid?

 

[arildno]

Or do you have someone in particular in mind?

Of course.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

Who/what is the most dangerous culture? You mean religious/nationalist fanaticism of any and all stripes? Or do you have someone in particular in mind?

He's got to be referring to Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church. I mean, no one else claims to be the "only righteous man left on Earth".

 

[Werg22]

Of course.

The others don't even come close. Not even the Nazis or Aztecs.

Wow. Tell me, would you rather be hanged/executed and meet a quick death or forced to wear a pink triangle and die a miserable death in a concentration camp? There is one that is noticeably more sadistic than the other, I think.

And what culture are you talking about exactly? Lebanese? Moroccan? Egyptian? Persian? Berber? Turkish?

 

[arildno]

As for, for example, religious discriminatory badges, these go back to the Pact of Umar in the 8th century.

The Catholic Church didn't start with that prior than in the Lateran Council of 1215.

I couldn't care less about what faint hopes you've got, due to your state of blissful ignorance.

 

[Pattonias]

Extremism is the most dangerous culture by any standard and throughout human history. Followed closely by a lifestyle of perpetual ignorance.

 

[mheslep]

Had Russia announced a naval blockade?

[STRIKE]No, but t[/STRIKE]The Russians have an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet" based out of the Black Sea, and I posit that they would have (were?) harassed (ing) other vessels bringing aid to Georgia in that period.

Edit: Hmm, appears I was wrong, Russia did more than harass, they did indeed set up a Black Sea blockade of Georgia per press accounts:

Russia also sent a naval squadron to blockade Georgia's Black Sea coast. Ukraine, where the ships were based, warned Russia in response that it has the right to bar the ships from coming back to port because of their mission.

http://www.nysun.com/foreign/georgia-russia-conflict-moves-to-the-black-sea/83533/

Warships from Russia's Black Sea fleet by Sunday morning had clamped down a naval blockade on Georgia's coastline, turning back "several civilian ships," said Aleksander Lomaia, Georgia's National Security Council Chief, in a statement.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3551100,00.html

MOSCOW, Aug. 10 (Xinhua) -- Russian warships had arrived at Georgian Black Sea coast to prevent weapons from landing by sea, Interfax news agency quoted a Russian navy source as saying Sunday.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/10/content_9138604.htm#prof

 

[Pattonias]

I am forced to wonder... If these ships taking aid to Gaza were from the United States government instead of an organization, would they be permitted through without search?

 

[Werg22]

I see that my posts have been deleted. I guess I'm interfering in an otherwise perfect orgy. Slowly but surely, I can see the moderation culture of this forum. Peace.

 

[arildno]

Did they kill the activists by paintball? What am I missing?

Really? I never got the impression that peace was in Israel's interests, nor did I think they didn't realize it.

As for posters making silly irrelevancies as the above, they are hereby ignored.

 

[EnumaElish]

Of course.

I honestly want to know why you prefer to make a backhanded comment like this one.

As you are the champion of relevance, how is this line of comments relevant to this thread? How is that different from saying "you-know-who have been leeches on any society or geography they stuck themselves on"? I would oppose that statement and protest it exactly as I did your statement.

I understand why my previous post was deleted, but I don't understand why werg's was.

My personal philosophy is to ignore irrelevant posts -- but never a poster.

 

[Evo]

I honestly want to know why you prefer to make a backhanded comment like this one.

As you are the champion of relevance, how is this line of comments relevant to this thread? How is that different from saying "you-know-who have been leeches on any society or geography they stuck themselves on"? I would oppose that statement and protest it exactly as I did your statement.

I understand why my previous post was deleted, but I don't understand why werg's was.

My personal philosophy is to ignore irrelevant posts -- but never a poster.

Werg's post was deleted because they were previously warned it was trolling by another mentor, and they repeated it, and they were also sent a message when it was deleted. They know why.

Also, please try to address the content of a post and not attack the member.

 

[EnumaElish]

What I meant to say was "My personal philosophy is to ignore irrelevant posts -- but never a poster, even when I find it convenient to do so."

 

[arildno]

Perhaps somebody feels sympathy for the members of this mob in LA. Note in particular their message at 0:12

Personally, my sympathy goes to to the lone boy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABjE_7uwA0I&feature=player_embedded

 

[EnumaElish]

Perhaps somebody feels sympathy for the members of this mob in LA. Note in particular their message at 0:12

Personally, my sympathy goes to to the lone boy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABjE_7uwA0I&feature=player_embedded

Bless the kid. I wasn't in that mob. I see myself a muslim. So don't give me any of that.

 

[Werg22]

Perhaps somebody feels sympathy for the members of this mob in LA. Note in particular their message at 0:12

Personally, my sympathy goes to to the lone boy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABjE_7uwA0I&feature=player_embedded

How exactly does this post fit into this thread? You are trying to appeal to ours emotions and incite sympathy towards Israel with an event completely removed from the parties involved in the matter at hand. You are insinuating that the contrast between this mob and the lone Israeli supporter has a bearing on who we should side with on this issue. Do you realize how dishonest this is?

 

[Evo]

How exactly does this post fit into this thread? You are trying to appeal to ours emotions and incite sympathy towards Israel with an event completely removed from the parties involved in the matter at hand. You are insinuating that the contrast between this mob and the lone Israeli supporter has a bearing on who we should side with on this issue. Do you realize how dishonest this is?

It's a demonstration of supporters of the illegal flotila.

 

[Werg22]

It's a demonstration of supporters of the illegal flotila.

Don't tell me arildno wasn't making a tacit remark by posting this.

 

[magpies]

I like how the one lady in the video screams at the boy... "you killed my family" as if the kid personally did it. The kid was pretty stupid for doing that tho imo. Protests are fairly lame imo anyhow.

 

[Werg22]

I like how the one lady in the video screams at the boy... "you killed my family" as if the kid personally did it. The kid was pretty stupid for doing that tho imo. Protests are fairly lame imo anyhow.

This video is full of funny moments. The guy with the Palestinian flag towards the end struggling for words to finally say "Germany... or whatever" made me chuckle. The journalist making a rebuttal to his claim against Israel's legitimacy by mentioning scripture and king Solomon is another.

 

[Evo]

These people don't even realize that the more they show their nastiness, the more normal people are turning against them.

 

[magpies]

I'm not sure about that evo from what I'v seen people tend to worship anyone whos nastie.

 

[Werg22]

I'm guessing he makes the same point that the makers of South Park, Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh and others would make. Hell man, I've seen less hatred when black people protest a "Klan" rally. I think his point is that there is an intimidation and media assault by a particular group that few others in history have managed.

That said, I'm not sure how that really relates to this issue, which is not just a matter of Islamic extremists, but also people who think peace can be won through deceptions and simply drowning out single voices.

Oh wait, that video DOES make that point.

I think the overarching issue is that the world condemned Israel's actions, as always, not because "if you're not a Zionist, you must be an anti-Semite", but because these movements are filled with ideological and religious lunatics.

This bull**** outrage over an attempt to break a blockade, the nature of these protests and how they rapidly become witch-hunts, and so forth.


Edited by Evo - Let's all keep this calm, please.

The video by itself makes no point at all. The title is "Jewish apathy towards counter-protesting, leaves 15-yr old "Daniel" to fight the lion's den", hardly something that is related to this discussion. arildno sets his post to invite us to choose a side between the mob and the boy. Why? Sure, the point you outlined is a very good one, and it might have been part of the purpose of his post, it's the extra innuendo that bothers me.

 

[Werg22]

I cannot speak for Arildno, I can only share what I took from the video as it relates to this discussion. I am not saying that you're wrong either, but to be fair, I think that Arildno has been clear for pages now that he indeed, sees there is a side to be chosen.

I agree, and he should have continued to make that point by using rational arguments to win our minds, rather he chooses to make an emotional appeal.

 

[Evo]

The video by itself makes no point at all. The title is "Jewish apathy towards counter-protesting, leaves 15-yr old "Daniel" to fight the lion's den", hardly something that is related to this discussion. arildno sets his post to invite us to choose a side between the mob and the boy. Why? Sure, the point you outlined is a very good one, and it might have been part of the purpose of his post, it's the extra innuendo that bothers me.

I agree the title is leading. I will see if I can find one without a title. Honestly, I didn't even read the title.

I agree, and he should have continued to make that point by using rational arguments to win our minds, rather he chooses to make an emotional appeal.

The thing is, IMO, the entire problem is Palestinians and their supporters creating an emotional uproar and blaming the wrong people to boot. If they had been a passive humanitarian shipment, they would have been lead to the correct port and the supplies delivered.

We now know that the "humanitarian shipment" was a disguise for the militant Free Gaza organization.

 

[OmCheeto]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26562617/" an appropriate naval delivery of humanitarian aid to a country beleaguered by a hostile power, despite military dominance of the hostile power in the surrounding waters.

Originally Posted by September 5, 2008

The flagship of the U.S. 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean, the USS Mount Whitney, arrived at the Georgian port of Poti on Friday with humanitarian supplies.

USS Mount Whitney in the Black Sea.

You guys need to stop stalking my myfacebookspace posts...

So if you were an Israeli upper mucky muck, how would you deal with the situation? How should the US deal with it?

I think a show of heavy handed compassion is in order.
25 May at 18:59

Now then, I say we get the 6th fleet involved, along with the Admiral Kuznetsov to float up to Tel Aviv a few days before the flotilla arrives, and load up about 10,000 residents. Have the two carriers escort the flotilla to Gaza, and have the volunteers unload all the supplies.

Whoever throws the first rock to break up the kumbayas, gets nuked. Deal?
26 May at 22:02

 

[Evo]

I will double check these facts later. It would appear that plenty of supplies are coming via Israel already.

Despite the maritime and land blockade, one should not rush to the judgment that Gaza is under siege. Every week, about 15,000 tons of humanitarian aid and other essential goods are transferred by Israel to the people of Gaza. Since January 2009, more than a million tons of food, medicine, and goods have been delivered to Gazans - about a ton for every woman, man and child.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Israel+actions+self+defence/3109496/story.html