What will happen to Earth when hit by a Neutron Star at the Speed of Light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the hypothetical scenario of a neutron star, 20 miles wide and traveling at 99% the speed of light, colliding with Earth. Participants explore various potential outcomes of such an event, considering aspects of gravity, kinetic energy, and the physical effects on the planet. The conversation includes theoretical implications and speculative scenarios rather than definitive conclusions.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the intense gravity of the neutron star would cause significant damage to Earth even before the collision, potentially absorbing large amounts of material and affecting the planet's structure.
  • Others argue that the neutron star's speed might allow it to pass through Earth without causing catastrophic damage, suggesting it could create a tunnel rather than shattering the planet.
  • A participant mentions that the kinetic energy of the impact could be sufficient to ignite nuclear combustion or cause massive earthquakes, leading to further speculation about the aftermath.
  • Some calculations suggest that the neutron star would leave a hole in Earth but not consume it due to its high velocity, which would limit the time for gravitational effects to take hold.
  • There is a discussion about the Roche limit and tidal forces, with varying interpretations of how these factors would influence the interaction between the neutron star and Earth.
  • Participants also reflect on the implications of gravity at a distance, with some asserting that a black hole's gravity behaves similarly to that of a neutron star, while others challenge this view.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the effects of the neutron star's collision with Earth, with no consensus reached on the ultimate outcome. The discussion remains unresolved, with various hypotheses and calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the neutron star's mass and speed, the effects of gravity at different distances, and the nature of the impact. The discussion also reflects a range of interpretations regarding tidal forces and their implications for Earth.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring astrophysics, gravitational effects, and hypothetical scenarios involving extreme cosmic events.

  • #31
Just saying I already did the correct kinetic derivation in post 10. Didn't show the formula, but the ballpark is right and it's pointless to use so many sig figs anyways.
 
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  • #32
I think "ripped apart" would be too mild a term. I would think the temperatures reached would spray what matter didn't get plated on the front of the neutron star outward at cosmic ray energies. I suspect such a collision would sterilize life in this arm of the galaxy as the high energy particles which were once our planet radiated outward.
 
  • #33
Even if the projectile does nothing but punch a big hole, All planets and the Earth are thrown into chaos from an object on the order of a solar mass flying through. Best case senerio, we're thrown into a highly eleptic orbit, with the Earth's rotation axis pointing who know which way. "Seasons" and "days" and "years" are no longer enough to parameterize Earth's orbit. Worst case, se achieve the sun's escape velocity and dye a cold and lonely death.
 
  • #34
Thanks for all your honest answers, guys! At first I thought an impact from a Neutron star would be like a heavy Asteroid but now I'm not so sure!
 
  • #35
RiseAgainst said:
How did you calculate that?

(Kinetic energy of neutron star) / (Power output of a typical galaxy) = time
 
  • #36
An interjection, if I may. A neutron star traveling at .99c is a fantasy, so imagining its potential destructiive power is also fantasy.
 
  • #37
We need not worry much about such an event. No star is currently traveling at any threatening velocity towards our solar systen
 
  • #38
Chronos said:
An interjection, if I may. A neutron star traveling at .99c is a fantasy, so imagining its potential destructiive power is also fantasy.

I beg to differ. It's highly contrived, granted. But it is simply the very far end of a probability curve; there is no reason why it can't happen.

A giant asteroid wiping out the Earth is less fantasy only in degree, not in principle.


Besides, why dismiss unlikely events? Two forums over, they're talking about The Big Bounce. Is that not worth discussing either?
 
  • #39
Well Dave, anything is possible, but few are as improbable as a neutron star traveling at .99c in this, or any other galaxy. No known force in the universe could impart the amount of energy necessary to accelerate such an object to near light speed. An asteroid on an Earth collision orbit - not at all improbable over the next million years.
 
  • #40
Be careful of "possible in principle"...
It is "possible in principle" for all the atoms of radioactive isotopes in the Earth to decay within the next hour. It isn't likely but it is "possible". There's a level of improbability which you must treat as impossibility. 1 in a billion is one thing one in a google is another.

That having been said the question is meaningful in an operational sense because we can infer what happens from theory and scale calculations. Start with say a 1.5 solar mass neutron star moving at speed V punching through the Earth.
... working the numbers...

Assuming it punches through like a pellet gun through a foam ball the mass of that part of the Earth it intersects will be 3.2E19 kg.

Assume all of this "sticks" the energy of falling into the Neutron star will be 7.6E25 J or equate to total conversion of 8.4E18 kg using Newtonian gravity and neglecting nuclear energy effects. Note this is about 25% of the effected mass.

Accounting for speed you can treat the impact as if the Earth hit the Neutron star so figure the kinetic energy (relativistic or not) of the 3.2E19 kg that gets hit. Let \beta = v/c then the energy (in units of converted mass) released will be:

E = 3.2\times 10^{19}\left( \sqrt{1+\beta^2} - 0.75\right)
That's the KE minus rest mass plus 25% conversion factor due to gravity of neutron star.

E=3.2\times 10^{19}\left(0.25 + \frac{1}{2}\beta^2 - \frac{1}{8}\beta^4 + \frac{1}{16}\beta^6 \cdots\right)
where I am using the power series expansion of (1+\beta^2)^{\frac{1}{2}}-1 to get the relativistic corrections to Newtonian kinetic energy.

Assume most of the energy is released into the Earths core and a speed of about 0.5 c. The energy released will then be about equivalent to 36.8% of the intersected mass being converted or about 1E19 kg or 1E36 Joules. I leave it as an exercise to figure the heat of vaporization for the entire Earth and see if anything is left after the impact.

You might start with heat of vaporization of of iron and silicon of about 350kJ/mole.

To put that in perspective 1 foe = 1x10^46 Joules is the typical energy of a supernova so my earlier post was too extreme. If I have time I'll work out the speed necessary to get 1 foe of energy. For now I got to run.
 
  • #41
Chronos said:
Well Dave, anything is possible, but few are as improbable as a neutron star traveling at .99c in this, or any other galaxy.
Yes but this was a thought experiment by the OP. He didn't say he was getting ready to add a layer of tinfoil...
 
  • #42
Chronos said:
Well Dave, anything is possible, but few are as improbable as a neutron star traveling at .99c in this, or any other galaxy. No known force in the universe could impart the amount of energy necessary to accelerate such an object to near light speed.

Never say never. :wink:

http://www.sciencecodex.com/nasas_fermi_telescope_sees_most_extreme_gammaray_blast_yet

"...gas bullets must have moved at 99.9999 percent the speed of light..."

While it may not actually be a neutron star, I'll bet the mass of erupted gas is comparable.
 
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