How does an observer moving at relativistic speeds perceive a pulsar?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around how an observer moving at relativistic speeds perceives a pulsar, particularly focusing on the effects of time dilation and the relativistic Doppler effect. Participants explore the implications of these effects on the observed rotation speed of a neutron star and the frequency of its emitted pulses.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that while their onboard clock experiences time dilation, the pulsar's pulses should also be considered in measuring time, raising questions about how to compare these two timekeeping methods.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the relativistic Doppler factor over time dilation when discussing what is actually observed, noting that the Doppler factor will be significantly larger than the time dilation factor.
  • There is a contention regarding the interpretation of the neutron star's rotation speed, with some arguing it remains at 0.6c due to time and space dilation, while others assert that the observed frequency of pulses increases due to the Doppler effect.
  • Several participants challenge each other's calculations and reasoning, with one participant requesting clarification on the correct mathematical formulation to use in this context.
  • Disagreement arises over the physical meaning of coordinate speeds and how they relate to the observed phenomena, with some asserting that the rotation rate of the neutron star must be adjusted based on the Doppler factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the observed speed of rotation for the neutron star, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining unresolved throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of time dilation and the Doppler effect, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented. The discussion also highlights the complexity of transforming velocities between different frames of reference.

  • #31
PeterDonis said:
I don't see the point of switching scenarios if you haven't even gotten the original one right. The solution of both is the same in any case since we were only concerned with the equatorial plane of the rotating neutron star, which is the same as the rotating disk in your new scenario. So you've already been given the answer to your new scenario anyway.
https://www.astronomy.com/science/weird-object-neutron-star-psr-j1748-2446/

It’s hard to visualize. In everyday life, the fastest-spinning thing we might see is the blade on a kitchen blender or a circular saw. But those never rotate more than a few hundred times a second. This star’s equator moves at one-quarter the speed of light. This rotation of 43,000 miles (70,000km) per second would be like Earth’s equator completing nearly two spins a second instead of one a day.

So now we start moving towards PSR J1748−2446ad at 0.995c, does the 70,000km remain the same or to the speed of light (minus a very small number).
 
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  • #32
King Solomon said:
So now we start moving towards PSR J1748−2446ad at 0.995c, does the 70,000km remain the same or to the speed of light (minus a very small number).
Neither. Do the math. I've already pointed you at it.
 
  • #33
King Solomon said:
the 70,000km
Note that this is a speed in the pulsar's rest frame, and you are asking for a speed in the observer's frame. But this speed is not something the observer directly observes. They have to calculate it. Actually, two ways of making that calculation have been given in this thread. One of them just uses the direct velocity addition formula. The other starts with the Doppler factor, which is directly observed (the pulsar's frequency is 20 times faster) and then corrects for the change in light travel time due to the shortening distance between the pulsar and the observer. The two methods will both give the same answer if done correctly.
 
  • #34
Closed for mentor discussion
 
  • #35
After mentor review, this thread will remain closed. The OP scenario has been addressed. Discussion of new scenarios belongs in a new thread. Thanks to all who participated.
 
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