What would the atmosphere do if the Earth were to vanish

In summary, the conversation discusses the hypothetical scenario of the Earth suddenly disappearing and the potential consequences on the atmosphere. The participants wonder if the atmosphere would collapse into a solid ball of air or burst into flames, and if there would be a separation of layers due to different densities. They also consider the possibility of the Moon stealing some of the atmosphere and the role of the Earth's rotation and magnetic field in keeping it in place. Ultimately, it is concluded that the atmosphere would dissipate rather quickly without the Earth's gravitational force and magnetic field to contain it.
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If the Earth were to vanish.

Like the thought experiment that posits the sun suddenly disappearing to explain the 8 minute delay in the effect on the Earth, so I posit the Earth from the surface down vanishing in equally metaphysical and mysterious circumstances in order to help me to see what the atmosphere would do.

So we'd suddenly have a spherical ball of gas with an Earth sized hold in the middle. I understand that the air at ground level has a fair bit of mass about 1.2kg per sq metre, so there's going to be a fair bit of mass in the atmosphere.

What would happen and how long might it take. Would it collapse into a solid ball of air, or burst into flame, due to the temperature and the oxygen the collapse, if there was one, would generate, or would it sort of hang there for a very long time doing nothing much at all?

Would there be a separation of the layers where the denser lower layer would fall inwards, while the outer lay would float away into space, or would all the layer collapse at the same time seeing as everything falls at the same rate.

I think it would collapse but what I'd like to find out, is how dense it would get. But I'm curious to know if it would support itself seeing as it would have a perfect spherical but hollow size like I guess a solid mass would due to there being no difference in pressure on the inside and outside.
 
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bland said:
What would happen and how long might it take. Would it collapse into a solid ball of air, or burst into flame, due to the temperature and the oxygen the collapse, if there was one, would generate, or would it sort of hang there for a very long time doing nothing much at all?
Sounds like a perfect question for:
https://what-if.xkcd.com/

I guess initially the air shell would expand in both directions (get thicker) due to pressure. I don't know if there could be some equilibrium like for the gas giants, or if it would just dissolve in the long term. Maybe the Moon would steal some of it?
 
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All the air would certainly spread out rather quicky.

The mass of the atmosphere is only 5.148*10^18 kg. This is less than a millionth of the mass of the Earth (5.972 * 10^24 kg).
The energy needed for an air molecule to escape will be less than a millionth of what it is now and the escape velocity will be around 10 m/s (at 1 Earth radius)
The atmosphere is also rotating, with a speed of 450 m/s at the equator and a speed bigger than 10 m/s almost everywhere except very close to the poles.

If the Earth wasn't rotating, maybe a substantial part could end up at the center, but it would still dissipate rather quickly, unless you could keep it very cold.
 
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Interesting question...looking forward to answers.

And, yes, without the gravitational force of the earth, the atmosphere will not have to be so compressed and it would tend to expand possibly in both directions (radially in and radially out), but I don't know, I am rather thinking it just "expand" radially out to the point of flying away the way a boleadora flies away when you let go of (or cut) the string (earth gravity).

I don't think the moon will stick around to steal atmosphere gases...it will also be long gone (boleadora, too)

I don't know much about this, but with the Earth gone, so will be the magnetic field that protects us from so many solar things like certain particles and other winds...I wonder if those will simply blow the atmosphere away, whether together or dispersing it.
 
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gsal said:
I don't think the moon will stick around to steal atmosphere gases...it will also be long gone
The Moon will go into an orbit around the Sun, and so will the spreading gas cloud. How close they get after which time depends on the timing of the Earth's disappearance.
 
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You would presumably have a vacuum where the Earth used to be.
Immediately outside of the vacuum would be the highest density of air, (previously the ground level air), so one thing I expect would happen initially is that this inner layer of air would collapse filling the vacuum until things were more or less in equilibrium.
Outer layers of the atmosphere would spread outwards as gravity is longer stopping it, so fairly quickly all there is left would be a thin cloud of gas.
It is possible that some of the heavier gases could be retained by the moon for a while, but probably not for very long
 
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willem2 said:
unless you could keep it very cold.
It would be a free expansion so the temperature should remain the same, along with the average kinetic velocity of the molecules.
I don't see any way for the gas to become cool.
 
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256bits said:
It would be a free expansion so the temperature should remain the same, along with the average kinetic velocity of the molecules.
I don't see any way for the gas to become cool.
If the gas were still confined within a container of finite size then I would agree that temperature would remain constant. But we are talking about an assembly of gas molecules that, once the Earth is removed, are not confined at all. If you restrict your attention to any finite parcel of gas, that parcel will have a bulk motion in a particular direction. The temperature of such a parcel computed based on the random kinetic energy that remains after the bulk motion is subtracted out will be lower than the starting temperature of the Earth's ambient air.
 
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Well this one seems pretty easy to me. Without Earth's Magnetic field to protect it it would be swept away by solar winds.
 

1. What would happen to the atmosphere if the Earth disappeared?

If the Earth suddenly vanished, the atmosphere would continue to exist for a brief period of time. However, without the Earth's gravity to hold it in place, the atmosphere would eventually dissipate into space.

2. Would the disappearance of the Earth's atmosphere have any impact on other planets?

Yes, the Earth's atmosphere plays a crucial role in maintaining the balance of our solar system. Without it, the gravitational pull on other planets would be affected, potentially altering their orbits and causing chaos in the solar system.

3. How long would it take for the atmosphere to disappear if the Earth vanished?

It is difficult to determine an exact time frame, but it is estimated that it would take only a few days for the atmosphere to start dissipating into space. However, it would take several thousand years for the atmosphere to completely dissipate.

4. Would the disappearance of the Earth's atmosphere have any impact on the sun?

While the Earth's atmosphere does not directly affect the sun, the disappearance of the Earth itself would have a significant impact on our star. The Earth's absence would disrupt the balance of the solar system and could potentially alter the sun's gravitational pull on other planets.

5. Could the atmosphere re-form if the Earth were to reappear?

If the Earth were to reappear after its disappearance, it is possible for the atmosphere to re-form over time. However, the process would take thousands of years and would depend on many factors, including the composition of the Earth's surface and the availability of gases to create a new atmosphere.

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