What's the amount of energy lost in Total Internal Reflection?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy loss associated with Total Internal Reflection (TIR), specifically examining whether energy is lost during the reflection process and the role of evanescent waves in this context. Participants explore theoretical aspects and practical implications, including references to optical fibers and related phenomena.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that energy loss occurs during TIR, potentially in the form of evanescent waves, which are not addressed by the Fresnel equations.
  • Another participant expresses frustration at the lack of clear answers regarding the energy loss in TIR.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the definition of "Total" in TIR and suggests considering energy loss in optical fibers as a related concept.
  • One participant believes that energy loss during TIR is exceedingly close to zero but admits uncertainty about the exact amount.
  • Another participant recalls that evanescent fields do not transport energy, indicating that there may not be a significant mechanism for energy loss unless they interact with a medium that supports normal electromagnetic waves.
  • A reference to a previous discussion on evanescent waves in absorbing media is provided as a potential resource for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent of energy loss during Total Internal Reflection, with some suggesting minimal loss and others proposing that energy may be lost through evanescent waves. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions and assumptions related to Total Internal Reflection and evanescent waves, as well as the applicability of the Fresnel equations in this context. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the formulas describing reflectance during TIR.

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In Total Internal Reflection, the beam can still lose some energy as it reflects off the boundary of the medium it is within.

This isn't covered under the Fresnel equations. The energy loss is probably lost in the form of evanescent waves.

I tried searching for the formulae describing the intensities of evanescent waves, but those intensities given seem to be of a transmittance greater than 1, which is impossible.

Anyone know of the correct formula that describes the reflectance of a beam during total internal reflection?
 
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damn, seems like no one knows the answer to this.
 
Look up the definition of "Total"!

For an 'almost' Total, you could also look up the loss in optical fibers.
 
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I was under the impression that the amount of energy lost is exceedingly close to zero, but I admit I don't know the answer.
 
Indeed. My somewhat hazy recollection is that evanescent fields don't transport energy (the time average of their Poynting vector is zero), unless they end up overlapping into a medium that can support a normal electromagnetic wave again. So there isn't much of a mechanism for energy loss.

There was a recent thread about evanescent waves in absorbing media. That might be worth looking up.

Edit: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/adsorption-of-a-evanescent-waves.943570/
 
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