What's the source of power of wizard in the Potter universe?

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What changes would have to occur for HPverse-style magic to work here? Total rewrite? Minor tweaks? Somewhere in between?
 
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What changes would have to occur for HPverse-style magic to work here? Total rewrite? Minor tweaks? Somewhere in between?
It's up to you, but if the 'new' forces could not be produced or used abiotically then it would be up to the author to mention them. No difference would be observed on the cosmic scale or any scale without the presence of magical organisms. It would be of no consequence to avoid mentioning the source of power but if you did then people would be picking apart the explanation. If the forces interacted with the universe naturally (in the absence and presence of life) though it would be very interesting.
 
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I meant "here" as in the real world. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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No clue! :D
I have none either, but if somebody comes up with a way I've got a fiver that it includes the word "quantum".
 
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I have none either, but if somebody comes up with a way I've got a fiver that it includes the word "quantum".
My personal favorite is the accessing of another universe with slightly different laws of physics, magic is created when our universe interfaces with another universe. My personal opinion is that Superman is in fact an alien from another universe. His superpowers arise from the interactions of the exotic universe that is Superman's body interfacing with the normal universe we live in. How else could he survive in the heart of a star? Star Wars didn't happen in a Galaxy Far Far Away... It happened in a wholly different universe where sound travels through space and light-speed is fast enough to get you from one point in that galaxy to another in just a few hours.

Quantum Mechanics is based on the odds of a particle being in a specific location at a specific time. However, we do have to allow for the possibility that all possible positions of the particle have taken place...somewhere.
 
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Actually guys.. if Mind and Matter will become a symmetry just like Space and Time.. then all these things in Harry Potter are explainable. Please tell me. What laws of physics or rules forbid the symmetry of Mind and Matter where as Hilbert-like statement would convey:

"The views of mind and matter which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of advanced experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth matter by itself, and mind by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality."

Come on. Just this once. Be brave to ponder on this. Physicists comfort zone are quantum mechanics and Einstein relativity.. anything beyond they get very uncomfortable to the extend of taking refuge in QM/SR and GR not knowing the unification of QM and GR may need another order different than each.

I'm guessing that those who can't take this.. i'll be just banned so not to ruffle their comfort zone.
 
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"Physicists comfort zone are quantum mechanics and Einstein relativity.. anything beyond they get very uncomfortable to the extend of taking refuge in QM/SR and GR not knowing the unification of QM and GR may need another order different than each."

If it may need another order different than each would you also say that it may not need such? Or are you absolutely convinced?
 
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The thread question is specifically the source of a wizards power. The worldbuilding of the books does contain many rules about the magic (though the worldbuilding itself is weak in favour of entertainment, which is by no means necessarily a bad thing), for instance:
  • Ability to use it is mostly inherited in some manner
  • It requires specific artefacts (wands, potions etc) to work properly
  • Performing spells almost always requires specific words to be clearly said/thought along with appropriate wand movements
But no where do we get an inclination of why these things work. To my knowledge there's no part of the mythology that accounts for what the difference is between wizards and muggles, where the energy comes from to power spells, why spellcasting actions lead to the consequences they do etc. Contrast that to fantasy such as the KingKiller Chronicle or anything by Brandon Sanderson where all parts of magic have explanations for how and why they work within that universes rules.

This isn't necessarily a good or bad thing. Some fiction works well with having the science of magic set out and explained (the discovery is often a good part of the plot). For others it's unnessary and not the focus of the story (like LOTR that had very loose mythology on what magic was, let alone how it worked).


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Ryan_m_b and others..

I'll answer the following:

1. difference is between wizards and muggles,
2. where the energy comes from to power spells,
3. why spellcasting actions lead to the consequences they do etc

I'll share with you what esoteric schools teach about them. This knowledge is not just theoretical but also direct applications that I'm personally privy to. So please be open minded for a while.

1. Consciousness have an energy/field aspect. Wizards simply have more evolved conscious energy. Do you know why there are halos in the heads of saints. This is manifestation of the energy in visible form. Once I tried to awaken my kundalini and I also got halos in head. What is kundalini.. beats me.. it is advanced physics.

2. Kundalini development can lead to very advanced conscious field in the body. In china.. some kids can do telekinesis.. we have observed some form of energy from the kundalini aiming at objects and initiating molecular transformation.

3. Spellcasting is simply programmable conscious energy that can interact with objects in the molecular level.

Well.. About the physics of them. Well.. anyone who figures out how they work get Nobel Prize. And that's the challenge.

What I said came from teachings in the esoteric schools that I'm privy to. But if you can't take it or ruffling your comfort zone.. then just replace the world "esoteric schools" with "harry potter school of magick" :)
 

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What I said came from teachings in the esoteric schools that I'm privy to.
I'd get your money back, as they don't appear to have taught you anything useful.

What changes would have to occur for HPverse-style magic to work here? Total rewrite? Minor tweaks? Somewhere in between?
The rules of nature would have to have substantial additions and changes. Even basic conservation laws would change and may or may not even hold in all situations.
 
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The rules of nature would have to have substantial additions and changes. Even basic conservation laws would change and may or may not even hold in all situations.
That's always been the problem with magic, it requires a different set of laws (and thus a different universe) to work. Sadly, that makes real magicians as rare as qualified unicorn riders.
 
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Ability to use it is mostly inherited in some manner
The Sami in Northern Scandinavia are a shamanic culture (well were, now they're just as Lutheran as everyone else in Scandinavia). Their abilities as sorcerers and wizards were known as far away as England during the Dark Ages. In the case of the Sami, sorcerous ability is inherited. This has always implied that there must be some genetic proclivity to sorcery. So Harry Potter has some real-life precedents in this particular matter.
 
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Cube137 please don't get this good thread closed like the others... I am not trying to be mean but I just really like this thread. Now I know I am not one to be talking but I do not think the PF staff will take kindly to this just as they didn't in the "How To Be Funny" thread... I hope you understand it's nothing personal, and I do hope you are successful with whatever you believe in. Thanks. :)
 
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So what's the source of power of wizard in the Potter universe?

Inventing fiction is even harder.. lol

Epicycles pills or wands? what is this?
 
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The author of Harry Potter has billions of dollars of money already. Has anyone read her book? I still haven't.. is the English she used kinda poetry? I mean is her English extraordinary good.. or just like other writers? I want to write fictions too but don't have any skills to write... why is she so good.. does she answer what is the source of power of wizard in the potter universe? If I have to read one of her books only to see her writing style.. what book volume should that be?
 
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The author of Harry Potter has billions of dollars of money already. Has anyone read her book? I still haven't.. is the English she used kinda poetry? I mean is her English extraordinary good.. or just like other writers? I want to write fictions too but don't have any skills to write... why is she so good.. does she answer what is the source of power of wizard in the potter universe? If I have to read one of her books only to see her writing style.. what book volume should that be?
The books are graduated so that the reader matures with the writing style, reading the book that is equivalent to their age as they keep pace with Harry. Of course that doesn't work out any more, kids demand to read as many of the Potter books as they can. Good way to get kids back into actual reading. As for writing style, The Deathly Hallows pulls very few punches, including killing off a few main characters. It's also her longest book. I read Harry Potter's and the Philosopher's Stone in one day.
 
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I started to read the series when I was 11 and if I had not done this I do not think I would appreciate reading as much as I do now. It is not like poetry cube137, but in my opinion the series is amazing. The source of power is never mentioned.
 
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I started to read the series when I was 11 and if I had not done this I do not think I would appreciate reading as much as I do now. It is not like poetry cube137, but in my opinion the series is amazing. The source of power is never mentioned.
I was in my fifties. My then-wife, Brenda, was studying to be a children's librarian and wanted someone she could argue about the books with.
 
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How's her writing style compared to Stephen King? English is not my normal language so I have difficulty with combining euphonious sounding words. I think I want to read one novel now to learn how they write. I have difficulty even combining conversation words. My rhythm is just so harsh sounding.
 
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How's her writing style compared to Stephen King? English is not my normal language so I have difficulty with combining euphonious sounding words. I think I want to read one novel now to learn how they write. I have difficulty even combining conversation words. My rhythm is just so harsh sounding.
Depends on what King is writing. Rowling writes for young people, so the prose isn't dense. King can be rather convoluted in his writing, or dead simple, as the plot requires.
 
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Depends on what King is writing. Rowling writes for young people, so the prose isn't dense. King can be rather convoluted in his writing, or dead simple, as the plot requires.
For people whose natural or first language is English. Can you also write like Rowling? Or is there something special in her writing or is it just normal English? Is what make her bestselling author because of her writing style or her story?

About the source of wizard power in the Potter universe. In this world where ISIS abound, we really not far from savages. Having nukes is enough without having to worry about the source of wizard power. So I'm glad Rowling never mention anything or doesn't know. In the next generation where the world is more stable, perhaps such can be explored. But why don't you people ask Rowling what is the source of the wizard power so she can use her creative to concoct any explanations.. what would that be that in case she were to explain it? What is your guess? maybe element 140? lol

Anyway. You are right Harry Potter stuff is for young people. It is so fantasy and unrealistic that I sometimes get sleepy in the movies watching them.
 
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Cube137 I think that perhaps J. K. Rowling does not explain the source of the power because she wanted to leave it up to the reader to imagine or maybe she did not want to constantly explain to people the details or have people arguing with her about the source of power. It is just do hard to FULLY (as people would prefer it) explain the source.
 
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Cube137 I think that perhaps J. K. Rowling does not explain the source of the power because she wanted to leave it up to the reader to imagine or maybe she did not want to constantly explain to people the details or have people arguing with her about the source of power. It is just do hard to FULLY (as people would prefer it) explain the source.
Maybe Rowling should have a contest where the readers especially young children should try to cook up explanations of the source of the power. It will surely be an exercise in creativity. Also in this world where you are not sure of anything anymore. Not bad to hear different explanations. In year 1850. If you would speak about the Big Bang.. you would be put in mad house. Etc.
 

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