When Does a Projectile's Horizontal Velocity Double Its Vertical Velocity?

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem where a projectile is launched at a specific angle and initial velocity. Participants are tasked with determining the time at which the horizontal component of the projectile's velocity is twice that of the vertical component. The problem involves analyzing the equations of motion under the influence of gravity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which the horizontal velocity can equal twice the vertical velocity, considering both the ascent and descent phases of the projectile's trajectory. There is discussion about the implications of choosing positive or negative signs in the equations of motion.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested that there are two instances when the horizontal velocity is twice the vertical velocity, prompting further exploration of the projectile's return path. There is acknowledgment of the symmetry in projectile motion, leading to a productive dialogue about the timing of these instances.

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Participants are working under the constraints of given values for initial velocity, angle, and gravitational acceleration, while also grappling with the implications of their assumptions regarding direction and sign conventions in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


There is a projectile which is launched at point "o" and land at "B".It was thrown with 20m/s with angle of 53 degree.Take g=10 m/s^2 sin theta=0.8 and cos theta=0.6
Find the time at which magnitude of x component of velocity of projectile is twice the magnitude of y component of velocity.
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Homework Equations


v sub x =u sub x +a sub x t
u sub x=initial velocity in x-direction i.e u cos theta =16 m/s
v sub x =velocity in x direction at time t.
v sub y =velocity in y direction at time t
v sub y =u sin theta +(- 10 t)

The Attempt at a Solution


v sub x=2 (u sin theta +(- 10 t)
but v sub x=u cos theta (as acceleration in x i.e horizontal direction is zero.
so,u cos theta =2 (u sin theta - 10 t)
putting given values give
t=1 sec.
But in book two answer are given
t=1 sec
and t=2.2 sec.
How I can get t=2.2 s ?


 
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Actually there would be two cases when horizontal velocity would be 2 times of vertical velocity as shown in your attempt.
Consider the case when projectile reaches highest point, calculate the time for it.
Then see the additional time where once again the horizontal vel. would be equal to 2 times the ver. Vel.
 
You have to look at the return path, so try the negative.
 
gracy said:

Homework Statement


There is a projectile which is launched at point "o" and land at "B".It was thrown with 20m/s with angle of 53 degree.Take g=10 m/s^2 sin theta=0.8 and cos theta=0.6
Find the time at which magnitude of x component of velocity of projectile is twice the magnitude of y component of velocity.
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Homework Equations


v sub x =u sub x +a sub x t
u sub x=initial velocity in x-direction i.e u cos theta =16 m/s
v sub x =velocity in x direction at time t.
v sub y =velocity in y direction at time t
v sub y =u sin theta +(- 10 t)

The Attempt at a Solution


v sub x=2 (u sin theta +(- 10 t)
but v sub x=u cos theta (as acceleration in x i.e horizontal direction is zero.
so,u cos theta =2 (u sin theta - 10 t)
putting given values give
t=1 sec.
But in book two answer are given
t=1 sec
and t=2.2 sec.
How I can get t=2.2 s ?

Find out how much time it takes for the ball to reach the top of the parabola and start falling back to earth.

In your equation:

vx = 2[u sin (θ) ± 10t],

you picked the negative sign and worked out t. What if you then picked the positive sign and solved this equation? What value of t would you get then?
 
SteamKing said:
What if you then picked the positive sign
Why?acceleration due to gravity is always pointing downward and I have chosen downward direction to be negative.
 
gracy said:
Why?acceleration due to gravity is always pointing downward and I have chosen downward direction to be negative.
Well, then why did you write the equation with ± ? o_O

The first comment still applies. After the ball reaches its maximum height and starts falling again, there will be another point where the horizontal velocity is twice the verical velocity. :wink:
 
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SteamKing said:
Well, then why did you write the equation with ± ?
No.I have not.I was just intended to write v=u+at as a is negative,it became v=u +(-a)t
 
SteamKing said:
The first comment still applies. After the ball reaches its maximum height and starts falling again, there will be another point where the horizontal velocity is twice the verical velocity.
I got your point.As there is symmetry ,there will be another point where the horizontal velocity is twice the vertical velocity.Thanks .:smile:
 

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