When does substitution not work?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and nuances of using substitution in integration, particularly in cases where it may lead to incorrect results. Participants explore specific examples, such as the integral of (1-x^2)^(-1/2), and question the conditions under which substitution is effective or problematic.

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  • One participant notes that integrating (1-x^2)^(-1/2) using substitution leads to an incorrect result, raising the question of whether there are rules to identify when substitution fails.
  • Another participant suggests that the confusion may stem from not substituting for the integration measure before performing the integral, providing a different approach to the substitution process.
  • A participant reflects on their learning experience and questions the correctness of their understanding of substitution, seeking clarification on the steps involved.
  • Further clarification is provided on how to properly apply substitution, emphasizing the need for the integrand to include the derivative of the inner function as a factor.
  • Examples are discussed, illustrating how to correctly apply substitution in integrals, such as the integral of xsin(x^2), and the importance of recognizing the inner function and its derivative.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the substitution method, with some confusion evident. There is no consensus on a definitive set of rules for when substitution may lead to incorrect results, and the discussion remains unresolved on this point.

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Participants highlight potential misunderstandings in the application of substitution, particularly regarding the order of operations and the necessity of including the derivative of the inner function. There are also references to specific examples that may not follow the standard substitution process.

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I noticed that there are some functions that when integrated by substitution, are incorrect. Such as (1-x^2)^(-1/2). The answer is obviously arcsinx, but if you integrate with substitution, set u = 1-x^2, du = -2x dx. Then use anti power rule to go from u^(-.5) to 2u^(.5), then divide by -2x and rewrite u in terms of x you get -(1-x^2)^.5/x. As you'll notice, there's an asymptote at x=0, thus they are not the same(although very similar in terms of slope at x near +-1). Closer analysis shows that it's the quotient rule that leads to extraneous terms when you differentiate the false integral.

So, my question is: whether there is a set of rules to know when substitution will result in something like this? And if so, what are they?

PS I tried using Latex, and for some reason it keeps showing the last equation I posted yesterday. I don't know whether it's a BB bug or a FF bug, but it's annoying.

Thanks,
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As far as the LaTex bug, if you hit "Preview Post" and then refresh your browser before hitting "Submit Reply" this will fix it.

I think you are confused about how integration by substitution works. You need to substitute for the integration measure (dx, du, or whatever) before you do the integral, not after. So the substitution you suggested would go as follows:
[tex]\int\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}dx[/tex]
[tex]u=1-x^2; x=\sqrt{1-u}; du = -2x dx ; dx = \frac{-du}{2\sqrt{1-u}}[/tex]
[tex]\int\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}dx = -\int\frac{du}{2\sqrt{u-u^2}}[/tex]

This hasn't really simplified things, and isn't simply a power that you can apply the anti-power rule.
 
OH! Well, I guess that's what I get for trying to learn Calculus from Wikipedia. (Not that I blame them, I blame myself for delving intosuch a topic without being properly prepared.) So, to do substitution, you

[tex]\int f(g(x)) dx[/tex]
[tex]u=g(x);x=g^{-1}(u);du=dg(x);dx=dg^{-1}(u)[/tex]
[tex]\int f(g(x)) dx = \int f(g(x))*dg^{-1}(u)[/tex]
Is that right? Seems wrong. Once you have all the info in line 2, what do you do with it?
 
TylerH said:
OH! Well, I guess that's what I get for trying to learn Calculus from Wikipedia. (Not that I blame them, I blame myself for delving intosuch a topic without being properly prepared.) So, to do substitution, you

[tex]\int f(g(x)) dx[/tex]
[tex]u=g(x);x=g^{-1}(u);du=dg(x);dx=dg^{-1}(u)[/tex]
[tex]\int f(g(x)) dx = \int f(g(x))*dg^{-1}(u)[/tex]
Is that right? Seems wrong. Once you have all the info in line 2, what do you do with it?
With the substitution u = g(x), du = g'(x)dx, you get
[tex]\int f(u) du[/tex]
If you can find an antiderivative for f, then the choice for the substitution was a good one. The substitution method is basically the chain rule in reverse.

For example, suppose you need to evaluate the following:
[tex]\int xsin(x^2) dx[/tex]

The obvious substitution is u = x2, du = 2xdx.
So
[tex]\int xsin(x^2) dx = (1/2) \int sin(x^2)2xdx = (1/2)\int sin(u)du = -(1/2)cos(u) + C[/tex]
[tex]=-(1/2)cos(x^2) + C[/tex]
 
So, the x outside the sine canceled out with the x in du, you divided by 2 because of the 2 in du, and it's negative because the antiderivative of sine is -cosine. Got it, thanks.
 
TylerH said:
So, the x outside the sine canceled out with the x in du, you divided by 2 because of the 2 in du, and it's negative because the antiderivative of sine is -cosine. Got it, thanks.

[tex]\displaystyle \int{f\left(u(x)\right)\,\frac{du}{dx}\,dx} = \int{f(u)\,du}[/tex].

Basically your integrand needs to have an "inner" function and also have the inner function's derivative as a factor.

For your example

[tex]\displaystyle \int{x\,\sin{(x^2)}\,dx}[/tex]

the "inner" function is [tex]\displaystyle x^2[/tex], and its derivative is [tex]\displaystyle 2x[/tex]. Your function almost has [tex]\displaystyle 2x[/tex] as a factor.

If you rewrite it as [tex]\displaystyle \int{x\,\sin{(x^2)}\,dx} = \frac{1}{2}\int{2x\,\sin{(x^2)}\,dx}[/tex] now the integral is of the required form.

So make the substitution [tex]\displaystyle u = x^2[/tex] so that [tex]\displaystyle \frac{du}{dx} = 2x[/tex] and the integral becomes

[tex]\displaystyle \frac{1}{2}\int{\sin{u}\,\frac{du}{dx}\,dx} = \frac{1}{2}\int{\sin{u}\,du}[/tex]

[tex]\displaystyle = -\frac{1}{2}\cos{u} + C[/tex]

[tex]\displaystyle = -\frac{1}{2}\cos{(x^2)} + C[/tex].
 

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