When Integrating (2x)/(4x^(2)+2) I get two different integrals ?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ∫(2x)/(4x^(2)+2) dx. Participants explore the differences in results obtained when factoring the denominator versus integrating directly, raising questions about the nature of the solutions and their equivalence.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why two different integrals appear to yield different results despite representing the same function. Some participants suggest that the difference is merely an additive constant, while others discuss the implications of factoring in integration.

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Hi

So let's have ∫(2x)/(4x^(2)+2) dx

Without factorising the 2 from the denominator, I integrate and I get

1/4*ln(4x^(2)+2)+c which makes sense as when I differentiate it I get the original derivative.

BUT when I factor the 2 from the denominator I have

2x/[2(2x^(2)+1)] simplify it down = x/(2x^(2)+1) which is the same as (2x)/(4x^(2)+2)

Now when I integrate ∫x/(2x^(2)+1)dx I get 1/4*ln(2x^(2)+1)+c

which is obviously different from the first integral. Why? because when I simplify it by factorisation its the same thing so Why is it different?

Please, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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The point is, [itex]\ln{ab}=\ln{a}+\ln{b}[/itex]. Now if you assume [itex]c=\frac 1 4 \ln{2}[/itex] in the second solution, you'll get the first. So they differ only by an additive constant which makes them equivalent.
 
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Ok, thanks
Ideally its better to not factor anything out from the denominator then, unless you think you can get partial fractions that is.
 
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Indeed, this can be observed from something as simple as:

$$\int x-1 \space dx$$

Making a substitution ##u = x - 1## gives ##du = dx##. Hence:

$$\int x-1 \space dx = \frac{(x-1)^2}{2} + C$$

Now what if you simply integrated by using some integral properties instead of a substitution?

$$\int x-1 \space dx = \int x \space dx - \int 1 \space dx = \frac{x^2}{2} - x + K$$

The two answers look nothing alike, but they're exactly the same! In fact, you can show they differ by a constant. Taking the answer for the substitution method and massaging it a bit gives you:

$$\frac{(x-1)^2}{2} + C = \frac{x^2 - 2x + 1}{2} + C = \frac{x^2}{2} - x + \frac{1}{2} + C$$

It is clear by observation with the non substitution answer that ##K = \frac{1}{2} + C## so ##K## and ##C## differ by ##\frac{1}{2}##.
 
The other classic example is [tex]\int \cos \theta \sin\theta\,d\theta = -\frac12\cos^2\theta + C = \frac12\sin^2\theta - \frac12 + C = -\frac14 \cos(2\theta) + C - \frac14.[/tex]
 

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