When to square a sum and when not to

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical reasoning behind when to square a sum versus squaring individual components, particularly in the context of Compton scattering calculations. Participants explore the implications of squaring expressions and the conditions under which different approaches are applicable.

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  • Andrew questions the reasoning behind squaring a sum in certain calculations, specifically in the context of Compton scattering.
  • One participant suggests that one should always take the square of the sum, although they acknowledge exceptions when dealing with perpendicular components of vectors.
  • Another participant clarifies that squaring a sum results in a different expression than squaring individual components, highlighting the presence of a cross-term in the expansion of a squared sum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the generality of squaring sums versus individual components, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There is an implicit assumption regarding the conditions under which the squaring of sums and individual components applies, which remains unaddressed in the discussion.

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Hey, I've got a question which might be really simple, I'm not too sure yet!

Basically, I'm going over the compton scattering calculations, and there's a part where:

v - v' + (mec2)/h = [tex]\sqrt{something else}[/tex]

Basically, the next step is to square both sides of the equation.

To do this, my lecturer squares the LHS as a sum (i.e. in the form (a+b)2 instead of doing a2 + b2... where a = (v - v') and b = (mec2)/h).

My question is... why do you in some instances take the square of the sum, and in other instances take the square of the individual components. I'm assuming there is a non-arbitary reason for this.. but I don't know about it!

Any help or pointers in the right direction would be much appreciated.

Cheers,
Andrew
 
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Hey Andrew! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a square-root: √ :wink:)
mess1n said:
My question is... why do you in some instances take the square of the sum, and in other instances take the square of the individual components. I'm assuming there is a non-arbitary reason for this.. but I don't know about it!

You always take the square of the sum. :smile:

(Though there are a few cases where that is the same as taking the sum of the squares, for example if they are perpendicular components of vectors :wink:)
 
Cheers for the welcome, and for the answer!
 
If you got
[tex]x = \sqrt{y}[/tex]
and you square it to
[tex]x^2 = y[/tex]

If x happens to be a sum
[tex]x = a + b[/tex]
then you get
[tex](a + b)^2 = y[/tex]
and not
[tex]a^2 + b^2 = y[/tex]

The reason is simple. In general,
[tex]a^2 + b^2 \neq (a + b)^2[/tex]
because there's also the crossterm:
[tex](a + b)^2 = a^2 + b^2 + 2ab[/tex]
 

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