Where Are the Hidden Loops in My Circuit?

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The discussion centers on identifying hidden loops in a circuit to validate Kirchhoff's Voltage Rule. The original poster has found three loops but is struggling to locate the remaining four. A response clarifies that there are three basic loops, three additional loops formed by combining the basic ones, and one encompassing loop for the entire circuit, totaling seven loops. It emphasizes that while seven equations can be derived, only three will be independent. The conversation encourages further exploration of the loops to ensure all are accounted for.
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I set this circuit up in my physics lab and measure all the required voltages, currents and resistors. I have been ask to prove that Kirchhoff's Voltage Rule is valid by applying it to all 7 loops. I am only able to find 3 loops and I am unsure as to where the other 4 are. I found 4 other possibilities however, they do not include the power supply and don't work according to Kirchhoff's Rule. Hopefully you can give me some hints as to where the other 4 loops are hiding
 

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summersun said:
I set this circuit up in my physics lab and measure all the required voltages, currents and resistors. I have been ask to prove that Kirchhoff's Voltage Rule is valid by applying it to all 7 loops. I am only able to find 3 loops and I am unsure as to where the other 4 are. I found 4 other possibilities however, they do not include the power supply and don't work according to Kirchhoff's Rule. Hopefully you can give me some hints as to where the other 4 loops are hiding

Hi summersun! :smile:

There are 3 "basic" loops.

Then there are another 3 loops each containing two "basic loops".

And there is 1 loop (the whole thing, obviously! :rolleyes:) containing all three "basic loops".

Total 7.

You can get 7 Kirchhoff's Rules equations, one for each loop, but only three of the equations will be independent (ie, you can work out any of the other 4 from any 3).

(The number of independent equations for any circuit is the same as the number of "basic loops".)

Try all the loops :smile:, and let us know if one isn't working. :wink:
 
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