Where Do Electrons Go During Alpha Decay?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electrons during alpha decay, specifically addressing whether the daughter nucleus exists as an ion and the fate of electrons in the process. Participants explore the implications of charge conservation and energy release associated with alpha decay, with a focus on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the daughter nucleus may initially exist as an ion due to the loss of protons and neutrons, raising questions about the number of electrons present.
  • Others suggest that the daughter nucleus loses its surplus electrons to the surroundings shortly after decay, implying a transient ionic state.
  • A participant mentions that the alpha particle creates additional ions through collisions as it travels through air, leading to ion recombination.
  • There is a discussion about whether radioactive energy is released in the form of kinetic energy of the electrons, with some participants agreeing that the alpha particle receives the majority of kinetic energy while the remaining energy is distributed among the electrons and the rest of the system.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of mention in textbooks regarding the kinetic energy of excess electrons and their status as atoms or ions post-decay.
  • One participant describes the alpha particle's interaction with surrounding matter, suggesting that electrons leave the vicinity of the new atom and move towards the alpha particle, contributing to a cascade of ionization along its path.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the existence of the daughter nucleus as an ion and the behavior of electrons during and after alpha decay. There is no consensus on these points, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in existing literature, particularly regarding the treatment of excess electrons and their kinetic energy in the context of alpha decay, indicating a potential gap in understanding or explanation in standard references.

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In an alpha decay, an helium nucleus is emitted and the daugther becomes less in number of protons and neutrons. Does this daugther carries excess number of electrons so that it exists in the form of an ion? If not, where do the electrons go?

For example, when U decays into an Th and an alpha particle, does the Th exists as an ion?
 
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kelvin490 said:
In an alpha decay, an helium nucleus is emitted and the daugther becomes less in number of protons and neutrons. Does this daugther carries excess number of electrons so that it exists in the form of an ion? If not, where do the electrons go?

For example, when U decays into an Th and an alpha particle, does the Th exists as an ion?

I guess it does exist as an ion for a fraction of second and then loses its two surplus electrons to the surroundings.On its passage through the air the alpha particle creates more ions by collision and this will be followed by ion recombination.Eventually the alpha particle will be too slow to create further ions and it will gather up two of the spare electrons and change to a helium atom.Throughout the event charge is conserved so I suppose you could describe this by saying that at the start of the event the parent atom loses an alpha particle and two electrons and at the end of the event two electrons attach themselves to the alpha particle.
 
Dadface said:
I guess it does exist as an ion for a fraction of second and then loses its two surplus electrons to the surroundings.On its passage through the air the alpha particle creates more ions by collision and this will be followed by ion recombination.Eventually the alpha particle will be too slow to create further ions and it will gather up two of the spare electrons and change to a helium atom.Throughout the event charge is conserved so I suppose you could describe this by saying that at the start of the event the parent atom loses an alpha particle and two electrons and at the end of the event two electrons attach themselves to the alpha particle.


Does it imply that radioactive energy is also released in the form of electrons' kinetic energy?
 
kelvin490 said:
Does it imply that radioactive energy is also released in the form of electrons' kinetic energy?

I think so kelvin.From momentum considerations the alpha particle gets the bulk of the KE and the remainder is picked up by the rest of the system this including the two electrons.

You asked a brilliant question and I would be interested to hear yours or any other views.I did a search and found nothing.
 
Dadface said:
I think so kelvin.From momentum considerations the alpha particle gets the bulk of the KE and the remainder is picked up by the rest of the system this including the two electrons.

You asked a brilliant question and I would be interested to hear yours or any other views.I did a search and found nothing.

Thank you Dadface. Most textbooks mention that the energy converted from the lost mass in radioactive decay are in the form of gamma ray, KE of alpha and Beta particles etc. but surprisingly they seldom mention about the KE of the excess electrons in the daugther, and none of them talk about whether they exist as atom or ion.
 
kelvin490 said:
In an alpha decay, an helium nucleus is emitted and the daugther becomes less in number of protons and neutrons. Does this daugther carries excess number of electrons so that it exists in the form of an ion? If not, where do the electrons go?

For example, when U decays into an Th and an alpha particle, does the Th exists as an ion?
The alpha particle slows down in the surrounding matter and becomes a helium atom. Two electrons would leave the vicinity of the new atom and go in search of an excess of + charge, which would be in the direction of the alpha particle. The alpha particle excites and ionizes atoms along its path until it comes to rest as a helium atom. There is a cascade of electrons more or less along the alpha trajectory. In the end, the charges balance - i.e., there are no new charges, + or -, created.
 

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