Where do the electrons in a generator come from?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the origin of electrons in electrical generators, exploring the nature of electron flow in both direct current (DC) and alternating current (AC) systems. Participants examine the physical principles behind electron movement and draw analogies to hydraulic systems to clarify their points.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that electrons are present in the atoms of the conducting material, and that a generator does not create electrons but rather facilitates their movement.
  • Others clarify that in AC systems, electrons oscillate rather than flow in one direction, while in DC systems, electrons move consistently from one wire to another.
  • One participant suggests that the electrons in a closed circuit simply travel around the circuit, implying that there is no need to create new electrons.
  • A metaphor comparing electrical flow to hydraulic systems is introduced, emphasizing that the work is done by the pressure (or force) rather than the fluid (or electrons) themselves.
  • Participants discuss the role of the generator in pushing electrons through wires, likening it to how a pump pushes fluid through hydraulic lines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that electrons are already present in the conducting material and that a generator facilitates their movement. However, there are differing views on the specifics of electron behavior in AC versus DC systems, and the analogy to hydraulic systems is debated.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of electron flow and the definitions of AC and DC may not be fully articulated, and the analogy to hydraulic systems may not capture all aspects of electrical phenomena.

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The man who trained my to perform electrical construction had been doing that kind og work for over 30 years.

We always wanted to know just where the electrons come from.

You have a generator pumping a flow down the wire, but those electrons have to come from somewhere.

so... where does a generator get all those electrons from?
 
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leftyguitarjo said:
The man who trained my to perform electrical construction had been doing that kind og work for over 30 years.

We always wanted to know just where the electrons come from.

You have a generator pumping a flow down the wire, but those electrons have to come from somewhere.

so... where does a generator get all those electrons from?

The electrons are in the atoms of the conducting material. Your description applies only to DC. When you have AC, the electrons oscillate rather than move in ome direction.
 
mathman said:
The electrons are in the atoms of the conducting material. Your description applies only to DC. When you have AC, the electrons oscillate rather than move in ome direction.

let me guess

60 times per second haha.

I'll tell him and see if he understands is.
 
And in DC, the electrons come from the other wire...
 
The electrons were always present in the metal wiring. It's just a matter of generating a force to move them. AC or DC doesn't matter.
 
Presumably you have a closed circuit- the electrons simply travel around the circuit. It is not required to 'create' electrons.
 
Another way to try and understand it is to consider a hydraulic cycle as a metaphor.

The hydraulic system is pumping a fluid around in a loop. Where does the hydraulic fluid come from? It's beside the point when you consider that the actual work is done by the PRESSURE, and not the fluid. Same goes for electrons.. the generator doesn't generate electrons, it generates electron flow.

Consider this contrast view of both systems;

You generate the power by pushing the fluid with a specific force...
You generate power by pushing the electrons with a specific force...

The pump pushes the fluid around the hydraulic lines...
The magnetic rotor pushes the electrons around the coils...

The hydraulic pump pushes fluid through the lines, and the power comes from the pressure of the fluid...
The generator pushes electrons through the wires, and the power comes from the pressure of the electrons...
 

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