Where Does a Ball Depart on a Tangent from a Circle?

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The problem involves a ball moving in a circular path defined by the parametric equations x=cos(2t) and y=sin(2t). The task is to determine the point at which the ball departs on a tangent at a specific time, t=Pi/8, and to compute its position vector during linear motion afterward.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss differentiating the position vector to find velocity and question the correctness of their differentiation. There is uncertainty about how to compute the length of the velocity vector while still involving the variable t.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on differentiating the vector correctly and finding its length. There is an ongoing exploration of the trigonometric identity related to the sum of squares of sine and cosine functions, with no consensus reached on the implications for the problem.

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Participants express confusion over the calculations involving derivatives and the application of trigonometric identities, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts. There is also mention of an answer key that does not align with the original poster's findings.

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Homework Statement


A ball that is circling with x=cos(2t), y=sin(2t) flies off on a tangent at t=Pi/8. find its departure point and its position vector at a later time t (linear motion; compute its constant velocity v).


Homework Equations


v=dR/dt T=v/|v|= (dR/dt)/(ds/dt)=dR/ds.



The Attempt at a Solution


I have got to be the dumbest person on the planet. all I can think to do is this: R= cos(2t) + sin(2t). I thought after that it'd be a good idea to differentiate to find the velocity, but I'm not sure I'm doing it correctly. what I find is this: v=-2sin(2t)+2cos(2t). then I went to find |v|, but I'm don't know how to compute it when I've still got the t in there.

whatever I do there, it's just not coming out right with the answer key. (thank goodness I have at least one odd-numbered problem tonight!) what the author says is this:
leaves at (sqrt(2)/2, sqrt(2)/2); v=(sqrt(2), sqrt(2)); R= (sqrt(2)/2, sqrt(2)/2) + v(t-Pi/8) which is the position at time t.

helppppp! I promise this is my last post tonight! =)
 
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Differentiate the VECTOR (cos(2t),sin(2t)) and find its length! Don't differentiate cos(2t)+sin(2t). You aren't the dumbest person on the planet. I've been getting a bounty of dumb questions tonite and this is by no means the worst.
 
this is a potential lightbulb moment! I still have questions, though. are my differentiations correct other than the fact that I tried to add them? I'm not sure how to find the length since there are still t's involved.

thanks for the morale boost, dick!
 
Yes. The derivative vector is (-2*sin(2t),2*cos(2t)). The length of a vector (x,y) is sqrt(x^2+y^2). There's an identity that says cos^2(a)+sin^2(a)=? Can you look that up for me? Uh, don't let my praise go to your head. :)
 
well I don't know about that identity... I know cos^2(u)+sin^2(u)=1, but if we're talking about the same one, I'm not sure how that does me any good because what I'm getting under the square root is this:
-4sin^2(4t)+4cos^2(4t).
 
Noooo. You have 4*sin^2(2t)+4*cos^(2t). (-2*sin(2t))^2=4*sin^(2t). sin(2t)*sin(2t) is not sin^2(4t). Please rethink that and get back to me in the morning.
 

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