Where Does Energy Go? | Law of Conservation

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The discussion revolves around the law of conservation of energy, specifically addressing the fate of chemical energy in a battery when it powers an LED. Participants explore the conversion of energy forms and the implications for total energy and entropy in the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the chemical energy in the battery is converted into light and thermal energy when the LED is powered.
  • One participant elaborates on the inefficiencies in energy conversion, noting that energy is lost as heat at various stages, including in the battery, wires, and LED.
  • Another participant questions whether the chemical energy is stored somewhere and connects this to the concept of entropy, suggesting that energy changes contribute to the overall entropy of the universe.
  • Responses indicate that while energy is not stored in a specific location, it transforms into different forms, increasing the entropy of the universe without being destroyed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the transformation of chemical energy into other forms, but there is some uncertainty regarding the implications for total energy and entropy, with multiple perspectives presented without clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about energy transformation and entropy, with some points remaining unresolved, particularly regarding the relationship between energy and entropy.

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I have a doubt about the energy. According to law of conservation of energy, energy can neither be created nor be destroyed. But, when I light a LED with a battery until the whole charge discharges, where those chemical energy go?
 
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The chemical energy in the battery ends up as light and thermal energy.
 
Are you actually asking, what happens with chemical energy? It obviously becomes light (+some other things). Or do you mean something else?
 
Ignoring losses, the chemical energy in the cell went into the light emitted by the LED.

The conversion to electricity was not 100% efficient, so some energy went into heating the cell. The transmission of electricity was not 100% efficient, so some energy went into heating the wires. The conversion of electricity was not 100% efficient, so some energy went into heating the LED.

Some of the light emitted by the LED impacted on your retina where it caused chemical changes in your photoreceptors. Some of the light emitted by the LED caused other chemical changes when it hit the wall, the floor, the ceiling or your skin. (Perhaps you have a new melanoma). Some of the light emitted by the LED was reflected and was then absorbed by other surfaces. Most of the light absorbed on those surfaces went into heat. Some of the light emitted by the LED might have made it out through an open window and into the night sky where it may be whizzing past Neptune and Pluto now.

Some of the heat that was deposited in various places would have been re-radiated in the infrared. Some would have been conducted to other objects. Some would have heated up the air and convected away.

These effects seem minor and are easily ignored unless you are looking closely. But they add up to exactly match the chemical energy that was originally expended. Rest assured that the books balance. Energy is conserved.
 
Thank you. But my doubt is that, at last what about the total energy? Do it store anywhere? I am asking this because somebody told me that those chemical energy is utilised to change the total entropy of the universe. Is it true?
 
Aromal said:
Thank you. But my doubt is that, at last what about the total energy? Do it store anywhere? I am asking this because somebody told me that those chemical energy is utilised to change the total entropy of the universe. Is it true?

Of course. As you convert the chemical energy into electrical energy, and then into light the entropy of the universe increases as a whole. However the total energy remains the same. Energy and entropy are not the same thing.
 
Aromal said:
Thank you. But my doubt is that, at last what about the total energy? Do it store anywhere? I am asking this because somebody told me that those chemical energy is utilised to change the total entropy of the universe. Is it true?

The energy is not stored in a specific place but rather goes into the environment as heat and light and so it increases the entropy of the universe. It is not destroyed but merely the energies form is changed.
 

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