Where Should I Place the Gaussian Surface When Applying Gauss's Law?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Gauss's Law in determining the appropriate placement of a Gaussian surface when analyzing the electric field between two parallel plates, such as in a capacitor. Participants explore the implications of different choices for the Gaussian surface and the resulting electric flux calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes confusion regarding the placement of the Gaussian surface, observing that a cube placed between the plates yields an electric intensity of zero, while a surface that includes part of the capacitor provides a different result.
  • Another participant suggests that any surface can be chosen but emphasizes the importance of selecting one that makes Gauss's Law useful, pointing out that a surface between the plates results in zero enclosed charge and thus zero net flux.
  • A participant questions the validity of the statement that the equation 0=0 is helpful, arguing that electric flux is not zero between the plates.
  • It is mentioned that the Gaussian surface should ideally be oriented such that the electric field lines are perpendicular to it, referencing the relationship between electric flux and the angle of the electric field lines.
  • Another participant highlights the need to consider the signs of the flux when calculating net outflow, explaining that equal incoming and outgoing electric fields result in zero net flux.
  • A participant asserts that understanding Gauss's Law clarifies why the flux is zero between the plates, as there are no charges present in that region.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of choosing a Gaussian surface and the resulting electric flux. There is no consensus on the best approach or the interpretation of the results derived from different surface choices.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for clarity on the conditions under which Gauss's Law applies, particularly regarding the presence of enclosed charge and the orientation of the Gaussian surface.

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In calculating the electric field bw two parallel plate i.e a capacitor I encountered a problem :where to take the Guassian surface..When I consider the Guassian surface.a cube bw the two plates Electric intensity becomes 0..But when I take the Guassian surface with a portion of capictor inside the surface I get the answer..But it is confusing..How may I know where to take the Guassian Surface?
 
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You can choose whatever surface you want. Of course, you probably would want to choose a surface that makes Gauss's law actually useful. For example, picking a surface which is in between the two plates, the total integrated flux around the surface must be 0 (no enclosed charge) and this is true because whatever flux enters one side of the box, leaves the box on the other side.

Picking this surface in the center, you get an equation 0=0, which is of no help to you, but is a true equation non-the-less.
 
Matterwave said:
You can choose whatever surface you want. Of course, you probably would want to choose a surface that makes Gauss's law actually useful. For example, picking a surface which is in between the two plates, the total integrated flux around the surface must be 0 (no enclosed charge) and this is true because whatever flux enters one side of the box, leaves the box on the other side.

Picking this surface in the center, you get an equation 0=0, which is of no help to you, but is a true equation non-the-less.

How can it be a true eq?Electric flux is definitely not zero bw the plates..
 
a surface to be chosen as Gaussian surface where all of the electric field lines are perpendicular to that surface...
remember.. flux=ExA cos(angle bw area vector of the surface and electric field lines)

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When calculating flux you also have to pay attention to the signs. The flux means the net flux or the net outflow, if you will. If as much comes in as goes out, the total flux is zero. If you take a cube between two charged plates, there is the same electric field coming in from the bottom as is going out the top, so the net outflow is zero. Gauss' law doesn't give the electric field inside it, only the total flux out of it, but which can sometimes be used to get the actual electric field.
 
then,why is field lines always perpendicular to the surface we choose?
 
The first step in choosing Gaussian surface is learning Gauss's Law. It says that the electric flux through any closed surface is proportional with the charge enclosed. Then you won't be perplexed by the fact that flux is zero anywhere between the plates, because there are no any charges there.
 

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