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By fall-back career options, I mean non-academic. Assuming a PhD, which field
1) pays more?
2) has the most jobs available?
Thanks!
1) pays more?
2) has the most jobs available?
Thanks!
diligence said:Well how bout this then:
Which field has the highest demand in industry?
I think the same reply will apply.fss said:That's such a general question it's meaningless. Pick one- you'll probably be right.
diligence said:if you say so...though i find it hard to believe that they are equivalent in this respect.
Locrian said:Why? What possible metric are you using to answer both questions? Could it not be that the median values are so close together that they're totally dwarfed by the variance, leaving choosing between them a useless excersize?
diligence said:the reason i ask is because I'm having a very difficult time trying to decide whether i want to go to grad school for math or physics, and while i don't plan on leaving academia
diligence said:By fall-back career options, I mean non-academic. Assuming a PhD, which field
1) pays more?
2) has the most jobs available?
Thanks!
twofish-quant said:You should plan on leaving academia, and the earlier you realize that you will likely end up in industry the better off you will be.
twofish-quant said:As far as which to choose, this is a "which do you like the most" question?
Simfish said:or coding differential equation models.
twofish-quant said:You should plan on leaving academia, and the earlier you realize that you will likely end up in industry the better off you will be.
I guess the likelihood of an individual succeeding really doesn't have anything to do with the average statistics of how many succeed per se (although you could argue that if the average rate of success is better, one's chances become better, because there's just more spots to fill up), but the latter does tell you how many people that think the same way as you do are actually rightfully doing so.diligence said:i mean , if this is stemming from the whole 1/10 thing, then basically all it takes is being in the 90th percentile? or am i missing something here?
i don't think the likelihood of an individual succeeding in a field has ANYTHING to do with the average statistics of how many succeed. for some, success is guaranteed. for others, it's prohibited. then there's everyone in between, and i guess it's them that you refer to ;)
Ryker said:but the latter does tell you how many people that think the same way as you do are actually rightfully doing so.
Yeah, but there's many more people who think they can make it than people who actually make it. And it's not really how losers think. A lot of people would do what it takes to become a professor, but still hold on to their rationality and give thought to the odds of making it. Just because you're blinded to everything else but the academic track does not mean you're more likely to make it in comparison to someone who is just as determined, but knows that chances are it won't pan out. In fact, I'm pretty sure that other person will have more success in life, because he will be wary of opportunities in other places more than you will, and, again, given the same determination, he will have something you won't.diligence said:i understand what you're saying, and I'm sorry to nit-pick...but seriously! how do you figure that? pretty sure I'M the ONLY person who thinks like ME. okay, yeah, maybe that's a bit too nitty... but still, you're telling me that only 10% percent of those who do WHAT IT TAKES to become a professor become one? i doubt that.
sorry to be so argumentative, but i just can't stand people who tell others, "hey yeah, it's great to dream, but don't plan on it!"
LOL - that's how losers think (no offense, but its true)!
diligence said:i understand what you're saying, and I'm sorry to nit-pick...but seriously! how do you figure that? pretty sure I'M the ONLY person who thinks like ME. okay, yeah, maybe that's a bit too nitty... but still, you're telling me that only 10% percent of those who do WHAT IT TAKES to become a professor become one? i doubt that.
sorry to be so argumentative, but i just can't stand people who tell others, "hey yeah, it's great to dream, but don't plan on it!"
LOL - that's how losers think (no offense, but its true)!
diligence said:but still, you're telling me that only 10% percent of those who do WHAT IT TAKES to become a professor become one?
diligence said:i mean , if this is stemming from the whole 1/10 thing, then basically all it takes is being in the 90th percentile?
i don't think the likelihood of an individual succeeding in a field has ANYTHING to do with the average statistics of how many succeed.
diligence said:but still, you're telling me that only 10% percent of those who do WHAT IT TAKES to become a professor become one? i doubt that.
sorry to be so argumentative, but i just can't stand people who tell others, "hey yeah, it's great to dream, but don't plan on it" LOL - that's how losers think (no offense, but its true)!
Ryker said:Yeah, but there's many more people who think they can make it than people who actually make it. And it's not really how losers think. A lot of people would do what it takes to become a professor, but still hold on to their rationality and give thought to the odds of making it.
It's like that everywhere, not just in physics, and I don't know why you're constantly reminding everyone how special your drive and motivation is.
There's no way you can fail in doing that by just being *the* hardest working person *ever* (which is a delusion in its own right).
And just to clarify, I don't have personal experience with being a Physics PhD and the options it offers.
kanato said:I read somewhere else that there are about 1200 physics PhD's graduated each year in the USA. I don't know the average length of time a professor keeps his job, but a lot of them do hold on to them for a long time. If the average was 10 years, then that 10% would be spot-on.
The field of Physics typically has more diverse career options than Math. Physics can lead to careers in engineering, astronomy, materials science, and more. Math, on the other hand, is often more focused on theoretical and academic research.
Both Math and Physics have high demand for skilled professionals. However, Physics may have a slight edge as it is often more applicable to real-world problems and advancements in technology. Both fields offer numerous job opportunities in various industries.
Both Math and Physics offer strong job stability. However, Math may have a slight advantage as it can be applied to a wider range of industries and problems. Both fields are foundational and will likely continue to be in demand for years to come.
Salaries in both Math and Physics can vary greatly depending on the specific job and industry. However, on average, Physics professionals may earn slightly higher salaries due to the demand for their skills in industries such as engineering and technology.
Yes, it is possible to have a career that combines both Math and Physics. Many fields, such as data science and financial engineering, require knowledge and skills from both disciplines. Additionally, there are research opportunities that involve both Math and Physics, such as studying theoretical physics or quantum computing.