Which has the highest boiling point?

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The discussion centers on determining which compound—3-pentanone, 1-butanol, or butanal—has the highest boiling point. Initial reasoning suggests that 3-pentanone should have the highest boiling point due to its molecular weight and dipole-dipole attractions. However, research indicates that 1-butanol actually has the highest boiling point, primarily due to its ability to form hydrogen bonds, which are stronger than dipole-dipole interactions. The conversation explores the influence of molecular weight and branching on boiling points, concluding that while alcohols typically have higher boiling points than ketones and aldehydes, exceptions can arise based on molecular structure. Overall, the interplay of intermolecular forces significantly affects boiling points, making simple comparisons challenging.
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Homework Statement


Which one of these had the highest boiling point?
A. 3-Pentanone B. 1-Butanol C. Butanal

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The Attempt at a Solution


The answer should be 3-pentanone because
1- it's molecular weight is approx 76 compared to the other which has approx 64
2 - because of the dipole-dipole attraction.

However when I googled the boiling points for each one it says that Butanol has the highest. Why is it that?
 
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What kinds of intermolecular bonds/interactions/forces do you know?
 
Borek said:
What kinds of intermolecular bonds/interactions/forces do you know?

I know the dipol-dipol attraction which is between carbon and oxygen and the Hydrogen bond which is as a result of unshared pare of electrons and the hydrogen.
 
Which is stronger? And which apply to which of these molecules?
 
Borek said:
Which is stronger? And which apply to which of these molecules?

Hydrogen bond is stronger and it applies to alcohols.
So, does that mean that alcohols always have higher boiling points than ketones/aldehydes regardless of their molecular weight?

However, if an alcohol has branching and the ketone does not, then the alcohol will have lower boiling points am I correct?
 
Sall1230 said:
does that mean that alcohols always have higher boiling points than ketones/aldehydes regardless of their molecular weight?

Not necessarily.

Actually this is quite tricky, as such simplified comparisons work best with the assumption "all other things kept constant".

In this particular case all three molecules are reasonably similar when it comes to the molecular mass, so the answer is more or less obvious, hydrogen bonding should make the difference. But when the mass difference becomes larger things become less obvious.
 
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