jarednjames said:
You didn't say it, I never said you did, you tried to argue to us that it was creative and wanted us to respond with how brilliant it is.
Where did I argue that it was brilliant? Which post? I never said it was brilliant, I only said I wasn't copying a book. The only words I took from Newton's Apple show was "the world around" and turned it into "I'm just trying to conceptualize the world around me." Is it the same thing? My roommate later that day then started quoting lines from the movie Princess Bride, which I hear others do the same every once in a while. If someone told you that you can't say "He's watching TV" because TV is in a book, would you think that's logical? I went to answers.yahoo.com and asked if what I said was plagiarism, and they said no. And I never said it was brilliant, but rather I felt I had the right to express my feelings.
jarednjames said:
Look, when asked "why did he go upstairs" there are a number of ways to respond and the roommate wasn't looking for a lecture. He wanted a simple "to sleep" or perhaps something humourous.
I never said my answer was entertaining, I just don't see his "He's tired" as anymore cute and entertaining. They always say in working towards creativity, you should work on "thinking differently", "looking at things from a different angle," or "divergent thinking," and that you'll have to keep brainstorming past many bad ideas until one day you come to a great idea. Have you heard that before? I don't understand how him saying, "He's tired," is divergent thinking?
jarednjames said:
1) Why does it matter to you so much? Why do you give a ****?
Because - Although I'm not Newton or Einstein, I think all of us in this forum should strive to be more like them. They were both really into figuring out the underlying logic of the Universe.
If a roommate asked you where another roommate was, and you said, "He's in the kitchen," what would you think if he said, "Not from a book, kitchen is found in a book. Be creative"? That's the same way I felt, and feel that I need to intellectualize against that type of logic.
Another way to look at it, Einstein would drive some of his professors crazy at the University (besides appearing lazy to them). He would go up to them and suggest an experiment to test his professors' ideas. His professors thought he was arrogant, and Einstein felt like he was suppressed because that wasn't his intent. Now think of it this way, how would Einstein think if his professors dismissed him with, "Nope, not from a book Einstein. Be creative"?
jarednjames said:
2) Do you understand the advice given? Can you see why your responses are inapropriate and simply fuel your friends attitude?
Yes, I already understand how the first two examples may have been not socially greased up. I was simply saying that I don't understand how I was relying more on a book/being less divergent thinking than he was, even if my responses weren't all that great. I'm just trying to look at the bigger picture than the social situation involved.
In the third example, he asked me what the main weakness of the Scientific Method is. So it would seem the context says my answer could be given. I also don't understand why you think my answer was more from a book? You hear books talk about the null hypothesis and how that's a weakness of the Scientific Method all the time. On the other hand, which book says that a possible way it could go wrong is scientists drillings holes into peoples' heads to release evil spirits? I can't think of where that hypothetical example is given, nor any reasonable scientists who would conduct that experimental control study.
For the third example, if someone was watching American Idol and told you, "I think such and such will win," would you say, "Not from a book. I've seen American Idol in a book"? Although American Idol is not that person's idea, if they say they think such and such will win, and they never announced that person will win on TV, then it's an idea that they didn't get from a book. If that person didn't read about American Idol in a book, I don't understand why you'd even say that to them? My roommate's response of the null hypothesis being a weakness is said all the time in college research/statistics textbooks, which I found out that he had taken earlier. Does that make sense where I'm coming from?