Which Matrix Transformations Preserve Vector Length in R^2?

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The discussion revolves around identifying matrix transformations in R² that preserve the length of vectors. Participants explore the nature of such transformations and the conditions that must be met for vector lengths to remain unchanged.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants consider various types of transformations, including rotations, and discuss the implications of matrix elements on vector length. There is a suggestion to derive conditions based on the properties of matrix multiplication and vector length expressions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered initial thoughts and approaches, while others are reflecting on the problem and expressing uncertainty. There is an ongoing exploration of mathematical relationships and conditions without a clear consensus on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for proof and specific conditions related to matrix properties, indicating that the discussion is constrained by the requirements of the homework task.

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Find all matrix transformations f:R^2 -----> R^2 which leave the length of vectors in the plane unchanged



Thats R as in the set of all real numbers R.


The only possible transformations i could possibly think of that would not change the length is rotation, other than that i am completley lost
 
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There is another type which does not effect length.

I would start by looking at a general transform matrix and learning which elements effect lenght, how would you arrange it so the length remains unchanged. You will then need to do some form of proof.
 
Just my random thoughts in trying to solve the problem: Wouldn't that be equivalent to saying t(AX) * AX = t(X) * X, where t(X) is the transpose of X?
 
SNOOTCHIEBOOCHEE said:
The only possible transformations i could possibly think of that would not change the length is rotation, other than that i am completley lost

Try to do the following in order.

1.) Given a vector [itex]\vec{v}[/itex] in [itex]\mathbb{R}^2[/itex], write down an expression for its length.

2.) Now transform the vector by multiplying it by a 2x2 matrix [itex]A[/itex]:

[itex]\vec{v} \rightarrow \vec{v}^{\prime}=A\vec{v}[/itex].

3.) Write down an expression for the length of [itex]\vec{v}^{\prime}[/itex] in terms of [itex]\vec{v}[/itex] and [itex]A[/itex].

4.) Given that the lengths of [itex]\vec{v}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{v}^{\prime}[/itex] must be equal, deduce a condition for [itex]A^TA[/itex].

Try those steps and let us know where you get stuck.
 
After thinking about it from all angles, reflect on the problem a little more.
 
robphy said:
After thinking about it from all angles, reflect on the problem a little more.

I feel a collective groan would be appropriate here.
 

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