Which Solution Should You Choose for a Given Bernoulli Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a Bernoulli differential equation and the challenge of selecting the appropriate solution given specific initial conditions. Participants explore the implications of the initial conditions on the choice between positive and negative roots of the solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a Bernoulli equation derived from a given problem and expresses uncertainty about selecting the final solution for x(y), specifically whether to choose the positive or negative root.
  • Another participant suggests that since the solution must pass through the point (1,0), it implies that the positive solution should be chosen.
  • A third participant reflects on their earlier confusion regarding the problem, indicating a moment of realization about the solution process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the choice of the final solution for x(y), as one participant argues for the positive root based on the initial conditions, while another expresses uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the uncertainty surrounding the selection of the appropriate root for the solution, and the implications of the initial conditions on this choice remain open to interpretation.

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The problem that was given:
[tex]{\frac {d}{dx}}y \left( x \right) =2\,{\frac {x}{{x}^{2}\cos \left( y<br /> \right) +4\,\sin \left( 2\,y \right) }}[/tex] after doing some changes we get a bernuli that looks like this
[tex]2\, \left( {\frac {d}{dy}}x \left( y \right) \right) x \left( y<br /> \right) =\cos \left( y \right) \left( x \left( y \right) \right) ^{<br /> 2}+4\,\sin \left( 2\,y \right)[/tex]
with the initial conditions that x=f(y) goes through (1,0) (1=x,0=y)
the solution is
[tex]\left( x \left( y \right) \right) ^{2}=-8-8\,\sin \left( y \right) +<br /> 9\,{{\rm e}^{\sin \left( y \right) }}[/tex]
for these conditions the boundary is Dy=(arcsin(ln(8/9)),pi/2) which includes the point in the initial conditions the only problem i have is i don't know how to choose the final solution for x(y) thus whether is it th possitive root or the negative one
 
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supercali said:
with the initial conditions that x=f(y) goes through (1,0) (1=x,0=y)

the only problem i have is i don't know how to choose the final solution for x(y) thus whether is it th possitive root or the negative one

Hi supercali! :smile:

But if it goes through (1,0), with x = 1, then it must be the positive solution, mustn't it? :confused:
 
how stupid of me how did i not notie that?
after solving this creepy thing i must have been too exhausted :-)
 
:wink: fragilistic! :wink:
 

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