Which substance is the best moderator for fission reactors?

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The discussion revolves around identifying the best moderator for fission reactors, exploring various substances and their properties in relation to neutron moderation. Participants examine the definitions and criteria for what constitutes the "best" moderator, including the moderating ratio and the physical state of the substances involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that heavy water (D2O) is a good moderator because it slows down neutrons without readily absorbing them, making it suitable for thermal fission reactors.
  • Others argue that protons are effective at slowing down neutrons but also absorb them, which complicates their use as moderators.
  • A participant proposes that the definition of "the best" moderator could be based on the moderating ratio, suggesting that liquid deuterium (D2) might be superior under certain conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of using liquid deuterium in hot reactors, as it requires high pressures to remain in a liquid state.
  • Some participants mention that above a critical temperature (around 40K), deuterium does not exist in a liquid state, which could affect its usability as a moderator.
  • There is a suggestion that a dense solid compound of deuterium, such as heavy paraffin or ZrD2, could be a viable alternative moderator.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using solid hydrides in high-temperature reactor concepts, noting potential issues with hydrogen diffusion into structural metals and the need for suitable cladding materials.
  • Concerns are also raised about the overall design of moderated reactors, including the balance of coolant, moderator, fuel, and structural materials.
  • Some participants mention the possibility of designing reactors that operate in an epithermal or fast spectrum, though this introduces additional control and stability challenges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which substance is the best moderator, with multiple competing views and considerations remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the definitions of "best," the physical states of substances under various conditions, and the engineering challenges associated with high-pressure systems.

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Which substance is the best moderator for fission reactors, if there is even a definition for "best"? My current physics book says heavy water. Do you agree? Please explain. :smile:
 
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Protons are the best at slowing down neutrons, however they can also absorb neutrons (and form deuterons) in competition with the fuel. Heavy water or D2O slows down neutrons but does not readily absorb thermal neutrons, there it is considered a better moderator for thermal fission reactors.

Moderating ratio is a figure of merit for moderators.
http://www.tpub.com/content/doe/h1019v1/css/h1019v1_131.htm
 
Astronuc said:
Protons are the best at slowing down neutrons, however they can also absorb neutrons (and form deuterons) in competition with the fuel. Heavy water or D2O slows down neutrons but does not readily absorb thermal neutrons, there it is considered a better moderator for thermal fission reactors.

Moderating ratio is a figure of merit for moderators.
http://www.tpub.com/content/doe/h1019v1/css/h1019v1_131.htm

It's not "the best".
Definition of "the best" is moderating ratio, so liquid D2 maybe "the best". D2 is gaseous state in environmental temperature. When D2 is compressed into liquid state, it would be "the best".
 
law&theorem said:
It's not "the best".
Definition of "the best" is moderating ratio, so liquid D2 maybe "the best". D2 is gaseous state in environmental temperature. When D2 is compressed into liquid state, it would be "the best".
But that wouldn't work for a hot reactor. D2 doesn't compress to a liquid but for pressures well beyond what we normally achieve terrestrially.
 
:( I thought this was a poll on who is our favourite PF mod...
 
Astronuc said:
But that wouldn't work for a hot reactor. D2 doesn't compress to a liquid but for pressures well beyond what we normally achieve terrestrially.

Above critical temp (IIRC close to 40K) D2 has no liquid state per se.
 
nikkkom said:
Above critical temp (IIRC close to 40K) D2 has no liquid state per se.
Supercritical fluid would seem more appropriate. The moderator needs a certain density.

One way to determine the superiority of deuterium to heavy water would be to determine the density of deuterium necessary to give the same moderator ratio as heavy water. From that density, then determine the pressure required. Then determine the necessary requirements of the pressure vessel and its material to contain that pressure.
 
A dense solid compound of deuterium would be good, i.e. "heavy paraffin" or perhaps ZrD2. Remember that the moderator can be outside the reactor and doesn't have to also be the coolant (e.g. CANDU, RBMK, MAGNOX, etc).
 
QuantumPion said:
A dense solid compound of deuterium would be good, i.e. "heavy paraffin" or perhaps ZrD2. Remember that the moderator can be outside the reactor and doesn't have to also be the coolant (e.g. CANDU, RBMK, MAGNOX, etc).
Since you brought up the idea of solid hydrides, which is being considered in some high temperature concepts, e.g., SCWR, the other complication of high pressure deuterium would be the propensity for the hydrogen to diffuse into the structural metals and forming hydrides. This would be bad news for steels or Inconels as it would undermine their structural integrity, especially when it comes to shutdowns. Probably the primary system would have to be cladding in Al or Cu or some other element that does not readily allow diffusion of hydrogen into the metal or formation of hydrides. However at the pressure required to maintain a supercritical deuterium fluid, I'm not sure there is a metal that could handle it.

Bare in mind, a moderated reactor has to be cooled, and there is only so much volume for the coolant, moderator, fuel and structural materials.

Certainly one could design an epithermal or fast reactor spectrum, but then there are issues of control and stability - depending on various design factors. Nevertheless, the OP was concerned about 'the best moderator'.
 

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