Which symmetry follows Ward-Takahashi identity?

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The discussion revolves around the Ward-Takahashi identity and its implications in quantum electrodynamics (QED), particularly focusing on the symmetries that underlie this identity. Participants explore the relationship between current conservation, gauge symmetries, and the implications of Noether's theorem in both classical and quantum contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the Ward-Takahashi identity is validated by renormalization, with specific reference to QED and the renormalization of electric charge.
  • It is proposed that the U(1) gauge symmetry of electric charge is the symmetry implied by the Ward-Takahashi identity in QED.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of the conserved current, with some participants specifically asking why the conserved current is identified as the electric current.
  • One participant mentions that the Ward identity can be seen as a tool to derive diagrams that respect the corresponding gauge symmetry, linking it to Noether's theorem.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between classical current conservation and quantum currents, with references to the implications of Noether's theorem in quantum field theory (QFT).
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about whether the Ward-Takahashi identity follows from local or global gauge invariance.
  • One participant asserts that electrodynamics results from local gauge invariance, referencing Yang-Mills theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the implications of the Ward-Takahashi identity and its connection to symmetries. While some agree on the U(1) gauge symmetry's role, others question the nature of the conserved current and the relationship between classical and quantum frameworks. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the specifics of gauge invariance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the relationship between current conservation and symmetry may not be limited to the Lagrangian of the theory, suggesting a broader interpretation involving diagrams. There are also mentions of potential misunderstandings regarding the expression of the Ward identity and its implications.

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Please teach me this:
It seem to me the Ward-Takahashi is validated by the renormalization, if the theory can not be renormalized the proof of Ward identity is failed.In QED the Ward identity is validated by electrical charge renormalization.
The Ward-Takahashi implies a current conservation,then it is the result of a symmetry.But I do not know which symmetry it is. E.g in QED which symmetry the Ward-Takahashi implies?
Thank you very much in advanced.
 
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ndung200790 said:
E.g in QED which symmetry the Ward-Takahashi implies?
Thank you very much in advanced.
The U(1) gauge symmetry of electric charge.
 
Why we know that current of conservation is a electrical current?
 
Thank Dr Du very much! Now I understand that U(1) symmetry leads to Ward identity in QED.
 
sorry I've got no idea.
 
Sorry, maybe I don't understand what you mean. I know the WT identities as a clever trick to use current conservation to derive some set of diagrams which fulfill the corresponding gauge symmetry. But the relation between the current conservation and the symmetry follows from Noethers theorem.
 
The Noether theorem says that a symmetry corresponds with a classical current conservation.But what it says about a corresponding quantum current?
 
In QFT book of Peskin&Schroder at 7.4 section saying Ward Identity is the diagrammatic expression of the conservation of the electric current...Ward Identity imposes the symmetry of quantum mechanical amplitudes. But I do not understand why the current is the electric current(we are considering QED) and I think the symmetry corresponding with Ward Identity(with the corresponding current) is some symmetry of Lagrangian of the theory but not of the diagrams
 
Sorry ''Ward Identity imposes the symmetry of quantum mechanical amplitudes'' is not correct.It is ''Ward Identity imposes the symmetry on quantum mechanical amplitude'', so it is OK.Please forgive my mistake.My English is still week,I am Vietnamese.
 
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At the moment,I think the symmetry for a current conservation neednot a symmetry of the Lagrangian of the theory,but it may be symmetry of the diagrams.Because Noether theorem neednot only be applyed for Lagrangian of the theory.
 
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In QFT book of Schroder&Peskin at chapter 9.6,now I understand that by Schwinger-Dison eqn,the conservation current equation(considering in quantum regime) and the equation of motion(quantum regime)are ultimately related:all eqns of current conservation fulfil the equation of motion.The Ward-Takahashi is only the quantum conclusions of Noether theorem applying on Lagrangian.So the Ward-Takahashi in QED is a representation of electric current conservation(quantum regime) which is a result of U(1) symmetry.
Please teach me whether my thinking is correct?
 
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I have got the following question, in the first place: Does Ward-Takahashi identity follow from local or global gauge invariance?

Thanks!
 
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electrodynamics results from local gauge invariance.(yang-mills)
 

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