Who are the Greatest Physicists in this century?

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The discussion revolves around identifying the greatest physicists of the 21st century, comparing them to notable figures from the previous century. Participants explore various candidates, their contributions, and the criteria for greatness in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest Stephen Hawking as a candidate for the greatest physicist of this century, while others argue that his contributions do not match those of earlier pioneers like Einstein and Bohr.
  • One participant mentions Hans Bethe as a significant figure who was active in this century until his passing.
  • There is a suggestion that it is too early to judge the accomplishments of physicists in this century, with a call to revisit the question in several decades.
  • Another participant humorously proposes Zefram Cochrane, referencing a fictional character known for inventing warp drive.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the criteria used to determine greatness, questioning the emphasis on theoretical contributions over experimental achievements.
  • Several notable experimental contributions from the past few decades are listed, highlighting the importance of experimental physics.
  • There is a discussion about the subjective nature of determining who qualifies as the "best" physicist, with some arguing that many significant contributions go unrecognized.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of contributions that may not receive mainstream attention but are crucial to the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on who the greatest physicists of this century are, with multiple competing views and ongoing debate about the criteria for greatness.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the impact of current physicists, noting that many contributions may take time to be fully appreciated. The discussion also highlights the tension between theoretical and experimental physics in the context of recognition.

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:bugeye: Last century we have Max Plank, Einstein, Heisenberg, Bohr, Schrodingers, de Broglie, Fermi and so on (so many!) great physicisys.

So, who do we have in this century?

Stephen Hawking?
 
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Me, of course.
 
We had Hans Bethe. Too bad he died last year. But still, he was alive in this century.
 
In terms of accomplishments in this century? Not Hawking.


Its a bit early for asking that. Come back in 80 years.
 
For all you know, Zefram Cochrane would've invented warp drive before the century's out, so ask again in 90+ years.
 
so, today, we have NO physicists ranked at the same height as those I listed (Max Plank ... ...)

Am I right?

Why not Stephen Hawking?
People said he is today's Einstein!
 
She hasn't necessarily done great things as far as I'm aware, but one of my favourite scientists at the moment is Kathy Sykes, a British physicist. :!)

As far as the greatest physicist right now, I honestly don't know.
 
Twukwuw said:
Why not Stephen Hawking?
People said he is today's Einstein!

Ummm, no. He wrote a pop-science book and it made him famous. Granted, he is certainly a good physicist (You don't get to be Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge for nothing) but he is not in the league of say Bohr, Schrödinger, Feynman, Einstein, Fermi, or any of the major pioneers from the early part of this century.

And as a side issue: People said? Who said? Who are these mythical 'people'?
 
No accomplishment in physics could possibly be judged for its greatness with only 6 years of hindsight, especially if you're comparing to the likes of Einstein and Bohr.
 
  • #10
franznietzsche said:
Ummm, no. He wrote a pop-science book and it made him famous. Granted, he is certainly a good physicist (You don't get to be Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge for nothing) but he is not in the league of say Bohr, Schrödinger, Feynman, Einstein, Fermi, or any of the major pioneers from the early part of this century.
I disagree. His work on black holes was very importent in physics he came up with Hawking radition which chaged the our understanding of black holes we thought nothing would come out but then Hawking found a way that somthing does come out.

I think einstein the greatest physicst of the 20th centrey(it's too early to say who's the greatest of the 21st centrey.)
 
  • #11
Mark McCutcheon is the greatest physicist evar! (Or so he seems to claim.)
 
  • #12
franznietzsche said:
And as a side issue: People said? Who said? Who are these mythical 'people'?
Not mythical, but they call themselves journalists. :-p
 
  • #13
Btw, has anybody thought about the "fact" that all "Great Physicists" have been theorists, at least by appearance of the OP's list. Has nobody in the past century come up with an ingenious experiment to detect something?
 
  • #14
neutrino said:
Has nobody in the past century come up with an ingenious experiment to detect something?
Many have...but experimental physics is a lot less sexy than theoretical physics. To set up an experiment from scratch often takes several years and costs a lot of money. And it's not fun to write about either.

Some of the biggest experimental contributions in the last few decades :

Cornell, Wieman, Ketterle - making BECs

Stormer, Tsui, von Klitzing - discovering the Quantum Hall effects

Osheroff, Lee, Richardson - discovering fermionic superfluidity

Perl, Reines - detecting the tau lepton and neutrino

Bednorz & Muller - discovering Superconductivity

Ruska - inventing the electron microscope

Cockroft & Walton - nuclear transmutation

Lawrence - inventing the cyclotron

...

...and then there was Fermi !
 
  • #15
Gokul43201 said:
Bednorz & Muller - discovering Superconductivity

Not to be picky, but I think Gokul meant "Discovering high-Tc superconductivity". Superconductivity was discovered by H. Kamerlingh Onnes.

On a separate note, I always wonder why people ask questions such as this, as in what purpose does it serve? To glorify a certain physicist? And as expected, I am not surprised by the glaring omission of the only person who was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics twice.

Zz.
 
  • #16
I suppose it's just for the sake of conversation, Zz. It's also good for newcomers, such as myself, to see who are the great physicists.

Anyway, Kathy:

http://www.bris.ac.uk/ias/collier/rc-kathy.jpg


:biggrin:
 
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Sorry neutrino, I have to disagree. There is one good experimentalist on the OP's list. The list also includes someone who was quite a good soccer player, although his mathematician brother was even better.

Also, Hawking on Hawking: "Instead, almost everyone believes that the universe, and time itself had a beginning at the big bang. This is a discovery far more important than a few miscellaneous unstable particles, but not one that has been so well recognized by Nobel prizes."

ZapperZ: Do you think your bard is the best bard?

Regards,
George
 
  • #18
George Jones said:
Sorry neutrino, I have to disagree. There is one good experimentalist on the OP's list.
That's still only ONE. No doubt, he was a genius of another kind altogether, possessing theoretical insight and experimental brilliance.
The list also includes someone who was quite a good soccer player, although his mathematician brother was even better.
And big brother was tutored by arguably the best experimentalist there was.

ZapperZ: Do you think your bard is the best bard?
There's more than one bard ? (not Sam Treiman is it ?)
 
  • #19
Gokul43201 said:
There's more than one bard ? (not Sam Treiman is it ?)

I was just being silly, playing with words.

For me, there is only one bard - Shakespeare.

Regards,
George
 
  • #20
George Jones said:
ZapperZ: Do you think your bard is the best bard?

Regards,
George

No, because that criteria on what is "best" is vague. Just like the thread on General Physics on the question "Is energy and matter the SAME thing", what criteria does one use in such a thing? Impact? Number of Nobel Prizes? Number of citations? What?

I don't play this "best" game, because it is (i)subjective (ii)meaningless, and (iii) demeaning to others in the field who are making important contributions but the work does not have the "sexyness" to garner front-page news in popular media. Next time your loved ones require an MRI to diagnose an important disease, would you then consider those who have pioneered and made advances in MRI and NMR as the important and "best" physicists?

I have no interest in trumpeting those household names. I will, however, point out the many men and women who have made terrific and significant contributions to the field of physics that have been glaringly overlooked.

Zz.
 
  • #21
ZapperZ said:
No, because that criteria on what is "best" is vague. Just like the thread on General Physics on the question "Is energy and matter the SAME thing", what criteria does one use in such a thing? Impact? Number of Nobel Prizes? Number of citations? What?

Can't you see that I was just playing around, in part because I, too, think there no objective criteria?

I don't play this "best" game, because it is (i)subjective (ii)meaningless, and (iii) demeaning to others in the field who are making important contributions but the work does not have the "sexyness" to garner front-page news in popular media.

Promotion and self-promotion definitely come into play, hence my quote by Hawking.

Next time your loved ones require an MRI to diagnose an important disease, would you then consider those who have pioneered and made advances in MRI and NMR as the important and "best" physicists?

Is this directed at me? Wow?

I have no interest in trumpeting those household names. I will, however, point out the many men and women who have made terrific and significant contributions to the field of physics that have been glaringly overlooked.

You can't possibly mean this. According to your reasoning

no objective criteria => no list => no omissions! :-p

Regards,
George

PS Don't get all hot under the collar - I'm just having you on.
 
  • #22
ZapperZ said:
And as expected, I am not surprised by the glaring omission of the only person who was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics twice.

Zz.

No one is interested in superconductors, or transistors. :wink:
 
  • #23
ZapperZ said:
On a separate note, I always wonder why people ask questions such as this, as in what purpose does it serve? To glorify a certain physicist? And as expected, I am not surprised by the glaring omission of the only person who was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics twice.

Zz.

Apart from John Bardeen, Marie Curie was also awarded the Prize twice - once for Physics and once for Chemistry.
 
  • #24
Physics Nut said:
Mark McCutcheon is the greatest physicist evar! (Or so he seems to claim.)
He's such a good physicst that he can't be physicst since he started a new physics that he is in complete control of infact he's not even a secientist!
 
  • #25
scott1 said:
He's such a good physicst that he can't be physicst since he started a new physics that he is in complete control of infact he's not even a secientist !

For the love of humanity use spellcheck.
 
  • #26
Curious3141 said:
Apart from John Bardeen, Marie Curie was also awarded the Prize twice - once for Physics and once for Chemistry.

He said 'In physics'.
 
  • #27
Rach3 said:
No one is interested in superconductors, or transistors. :wink:

Noone might be, but the fact that some people are interested should be a thankful fact for the rest of people. Otherwise, A LOT of electrical fancy tuff you have in your house now would be unavaliable.
 
  • #28
Bladibla said:
He said 'In physics'.

I know what he said, I was just making an observation.
 
  • #29
Bladibla said:
Rach3 said:
No one is interested in superconductors, or transistors. :wink:
Noone might be, but the fact that some people are interested should be a thankful fact for the rest of people. Otherwise, A LOT of electrical fancy tuff you have in your house now would be unavaliable.

That was the most obvious, easy-to-get sarcasm in the world. Honestly - superconductors? Transistors? Unimportant? I even included a little smiley icon with a "wink" feature.
 
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